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RussiaCentral AsiaBernd2023-10-15 13:19:51 · 3yNo. 291239reply
Central Asia thread. Here lets discuss Central Asia and its future. All -stans and turkic and persian countries, sandwitched between Russia and India.
RussiaBernd2023-10-15 13:23:35 · 3yNo. 291240reply
There is a great UN site that allows you to chart population data from now into the future
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/population-with-un-projections
 
You can pick a country there, pick a year interval and see how many people will live in the country compared with other.
 
As Russian population declines, Central Asian population rises. And one of the countries with biggest population is...Uzbekistan! There will be half as many Uzbeks, as Russians by 2100. And many ""Russians"" in Russia will probably be Uzbeks.
RussiaBernd2023-10-15 13:31:56 · 3yNo. 291241reply
If we just look at Stans by 2100, then of course Pakistan will be on top. Followed by Afghanistan. Half a billion of them, muslims, possibly retaining the core muslim tradition in the Southern Central Asia.
 
Uzbekistan is in the third place with 50 millions. Mind you its a landblocked country also, not even an access to Caspian sea.
 
Kazakhstan is stable.
 
Kyrgyzstand, Turkmenistan and Tajikistan - they are very weak, compared to neighbours. The leadership of those countries is not sustainable even in the short term.
RussiaBernd2023-10-15 13:41:32 · 3yNo. 291242reply
Imagine being Turkmenistan now
 
Look at whats happening in Armenia. They are being invaded and no-one comes to their help, because they have no sea access. Even though they are in pact of defence with Russia. No you Turkmenistan. Your biggest neighbours are Iran - with nuclear ambitions, Afghanistan under Talliban, growing Uzbekistan and semi-stable Kazakhstan. You have a dynasty rulers who may not be so stable. If you get invaded, probably no one will care. Got to think of it - i never even noticed how silly their flag looks like. Its one of those flags we don't consciously think about. How many stars on it? Some kind of ribbon with ornaments? If someone would tell you its a fake flag of a fake imaginary country, you would probably believe them.
RussiaBernd2023-10-15 13:56:36 · 3yNo. 291243reply
And thats without even border disputes
 
There are fuck-tonns of exclaves of Tajikistan with its neighbours.
 
Some part of Tajikistan named Lolazor is in Kyrgyzstan.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolazor,_Jabbor_Rasulov_District
RussiaBernd2023-10-15 14:02:56 · 3yNo. 291244reply
RussiaBernd2023-10-15 14:07:15 · 3yNo. 291245reply
Another piece of Tajikistan also located in Uzbekistan. Its a long valley along the river in the mountains with the vilage Sarvan or Sarvak
RussiaBernd2023-10-15 14:11:08 · 3yNo. 291247reply
RussiaBernd2023-10-15 14:13:47 · 3yNo. 291248reply
RussiaBernd2023-10-15 14:16:39 · 3yNo. 291249reply
RussiaBernd2023-10-15 14:21:52 · 3yNo. 291250reply
Jani-Ayil (also Dzhangail, Jangy-ayyl or Khalmion) (40°12′09″N 71°39′58″E) is a small exclave of Uzbekistan, about 60 kilometres east of Batken and within 1 km of the Uzbek main border. It measures only 2 to 3 kilometres across.
RussiaBernd2023-10-15 14:25:11 · 3yNo. 291252reply
RussiaBernd2023-10-15 14:36:10 · 3yNo. 291253reply
So Tajikistan has external exclaves in both Uzbekistan(1 Sarvan ) and Kyrgyzstan (2 Lolazor, and Vorukh), but no exclaves of other countries on its own territory
 
Uzbekistan has external exclaves in Kyrgyzstan (4, Sokh, Chon-Gara, Shohimardon, Dzhangail), but also has exclaves of two other countries on its territory (Barak by KZ, and Sarvan by TJK).
 
Kyrygzstan has one external exclave in Uzbekistan(1 Barak), but also has exclaves of two other countries on its territory. In total there are 6 exclaves of other countries in Kyrgyzstan. (2 Lolazor, and Vorukh by TJK, and 4 Sokh, Chon-Gara, Shohimardon, Dzhangail by UZB)
 
In this scheme Kyrgyzstan looks like one of the most cucked nations, because its territory penetrated by both Uzb and TJK.
And Tajikistan looks like less cucked in a way that it doesn't have territories of other nations on its territory, but yet still it needs to have access to its exclaves abroad, with possibility of other countries choking them.
Uzbekistan looks equally cucked and strained, because it has territory of other states inside of itself, but also has external exclaves in Kyrgyzstan, some are pretty far away from border of Uzbekistan.
RussiaBernd2023-10-15 14:45:45 · 3yNo. 291254reply
And population wise Kyrgyzstan will stay cucked for the forseeable future. While population of exclaves of Tajikistan and UZbekistan on its territory grow.
 
And if Kyrgyzstan wanted to trade its territory, it can hardly exchange territory of Barak village for maybe Dzhangail or Chon-Gara, because they are similar sizes. And only with Uzbekistan, and that still leaves giant Sokh and Shohimardon inside. And since there are not Kyrgyz territories in Tajikistan, they have no cards to negotiate with Tajijistan at all.
RussiaBernd2023-10-15 14:58:52 · 3yNo. 291255reply
Other intresting thing to measure is the distance from the capital to the border of neighbouring country.
 
Capital of Turkmenistan - Ashhabad is 25 km from border with Iran
Capital of Uzbekistan - Tashkent is 11 km from border with Kazakhstan
Capital of Kyrgystan - Bishkek is 17 km from border with Kazakhstan
Capital of Tajikistan - Dushanbe is 57 km from border with Uzbekistan
 
In millitary sense, you really want your capital to be closer to the center, as far away from the border of your potential enemy. So in this sense, its far from optimal for many of those countries.
Imagine if there is a millitary junta in Kazakhstan and they want to conquer Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan for some reason. Its literally just less than 20 km from Kazakh border.
RussiaBernd2023-10-15 19:26:50 · 3yNo. 291291reply
Uzbekistan ministry of defence has a lot of information in Russian. Even state television making reports in Russian about exercises
 
picrelated - report on Uzbekistan ministry of defence site about Uzbek army winning silver medal in UK millitary competition. surreal
NetherlandsBernd2023-11-29 06:39:23 · 3yNo. 294839reply
Kyrgyzstan changes flag from top to bottom
RussiaBernd2024-05-07 15:13:56 · 2yNo. 309550reply
shots fired
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