reality check: french simply said "okay, no more aids for niger"

https://www.france24.com/en/africa/20230729-france-cuts-off-aid-to-niger-amid-growing-western-condemnation-of-coup

 

everyone who claims france is plundering africa got extremely butthurt about those news :^)

Will ECOWAS intervention succeed?

 

It could be successfull, because capital of Niger is located very close to the border of Nigeria and Benin (both ECOWAS countries)

So ECOWAS forces can march on capital fast, and cut it off from the rest of the country which is desert anyway. Nigeria has big army, lots of men to invade Niger. Could be main player.

 

Plus - country of Chad is also de-facto the French puppet and can join ECOWAS forces in invasion of Niger.

France can support with speacial forces, they have 2 bases in Niger. Also there is American base in Niger, so they can use their drones for recoinasance.

If ECOWAS succesfully millitarily invades Niger and restores Bazoum's presidency, then ECOWAS will showcase itself to be a very powerfull player in the region and whoever will showcase better results. If they win, they could be emboldened to later invade Burkina Faso and possibly Guinea or even Mali.

if ECOWAS invades and then fails to win quickly and gets boggled down, without commiting a lot of resources, then the entire region be destabilized. Leadership of ECOWAS countries themselves is not very stable and prone to violent coups and protests, so if they get into war and can't win and can't get out, then they themselves can face serious problems at home

 

Any war in the region will force enormous ammounts of refugees out of the area.

Without central power in Niger (the constitution is suspended now!) the jihadis could start gaining more influence. And to counter that influence, Western countries would have to invest more into West-African security and pay much tighter attention to this region.

you seem to be projecting

Go educate yourself on who is Mahamat Déby, the current dictator of Chad and how he got into power. He wasn't elected, he usurped the power after the death of his father and proclaimed himself leader without any elections and it was fine for France, they even supported him after he cracked down on pro-democratic protestors.

You mean, exactly like how all the post-Soviet dictators in Central Asia work?

Yes, it's called pragmatism

strong dictatorships are consistently more stable in Africa

Who the fuck cares about Central Asia, i am not defending it here, retard

 

And if they are not strong, then they are not stable. Circular logic, idiot. Go and discuss your gay escapades in other threads, you seem to be more knowledgable about those than geopolitics.

Mahamat Déby right now is in Niger, negotiating. He also met president Bazoum, confirming that he is alive and well( he is even smiling on photo).

 

Possibly Deby could negotiate some peaceful solution that would return Bazoum to power and resolve the situation.

 

if i was leading Niger i wouldn't allow Deby to leave in a week, turning him into a hostage himself))

Oh no ;_;

I hope there will be a peaceful outcome.

ECOWAS can just...fuck off and not invade. Why dictatorship in Chad is somehow good, but dictatorship in Niger is unacceptable?

France is not abusing Africa using that special currency they made?

 

I thought France makes huge profits.

 

what transition?

Its how dictators call their dictatorship, pretending its just a temporary period of their rule before some changes will happen, before the elections in unspecified date in the future. But usually this "temporary" period becomes permanent period and no election happen, transitional government just writes new laws that cement its power, clear the political field from opposition and takes actions that allow to legitimize its own rule in the future.

smart

 

i wish i could do that in germany, or maybe just in austria or belgium or so

 

having your own tiny kingdom sounds nice

Its almost like West African war in TNO

 

Shit in the region can be unpredictable, those borders are very fragile and ECOWAS leaders are not really that popular in their own countries. After i finish my work, i could do a little review on all current presidients of ECOWAS countries. Most of them are fucking crooks, who stay in power through corruption, intimidation and imprisonment of opposition. So if those faggots dare to invade, won't win quickly and cause casualties in their own armies - their little houses of cards could start trembling and falling.

It wouldn't be the first millitary intervention by ECOWAS. They intervened in Gambia in 2017, following presidential crisis. They troops still remain in the country of Gambia.

 

but intervention into relatively small Gambia is one thing. Intervention into colossal Niger is another business entirely.

 

Some might wonder if they have the power for it. ECOWAS also not very popular in the region and seen by many Africans as a proxy for the former colonizer France. So that intervention could turn many people against ECOWAS. And what if Mali and Burkina-Faso send volunteers? or if Niger army would use their territory for raids into ECOWAS countries? This could escalate.

Isn't that every country on the continent though?

in some of African countries election do happen and often

 

Like Liberia for example. Right now they have a president who was previously famous football player and before him was a woman president. I cannot criticize their game.

Nigeria (ECOWAS) has a lot of Chinese tanks from NORINCO that they bought recently. If Nigeria invades Niger, then it might be their first use against the army of the enemy. And if there are Wagner troops in Niger, then we might see Russians fighting against Chinese tanks for the first time.

French and American troops are still inside Niger. France operates drones from Niamey airbase and its troops were deployed on the border with Mali. Video below is just 3 month old

 

Army of Niger claims that -- politicians of Niger who are not loyal to army junta convened a meeting with representatives of France in the building of National guard of Niger and given France authorization to carry out strikes against Nigerian army in order to free Bazoum who is in the presidential palace. France doesn't recognize junta and considers Bazoum legitimate leader of Niger, so Bazoum could through politicians give France authorization to do pretty much anything. It also seems that the place of meeting - building of National guard - indicates that National guard of Niger might have retained loyalty to president, unlike army, but so far its just speculation.

 

African countries are free to leave :^)

So far every single one that left learned the hard way that they can't manage finance.

 

Chad is not part of ECOWAS, so that's not their fuck to give?

 

ECOWAS is also in intervention in Mali since 2013. So.

Al Jazeera reports that Coup leaders have have arrested the minister of interior and other minister. Why its important? Because the national guard of Niger follows commands of the minister of interior

 

Oh you sweet summer child...

 

I mean more for a France in that sense. They unconditionally support Deby junior because they don't have much choice even though he has zero legitimacy. Chad is the republic, not a monarchy so just being the son of the previous leader doesn't give you the right to become the president.

but if you read wikipedia then you can find strange stories. Old Idriss Déby(previous leader of Chad) had another son named Brahim Déby. He died in France in veeeeery strange situation. Night life in France is wild as they say, am i right?

Well, as a monarchist, I will support his claim.

but thats the thing, litl Deby is not a monarch, he doesn't have the balls to go full Bokassa, he can't do that. Instead its just boring regular junta, lame generals with shitty uniforms. The constitution of Chad is suspended from 2021 and country is rulled with some fig leaf charter, with some tranny transition councel of millitary in charge of everything. No glory, no style

Conspiracy theories time!

 

I was watching several reports about Niger and everywhere i go i see Russian flags. And i started to ask myself a simple question - where did they get them? i mean flags, where did those protesters get the flags of Russian federation? Russia doesn't even have an embassy in Niamey, as embarassing as it sounds.

 

My conspiracy theory is that those flags are handed up by Western agents, they pay protestors like 1$ to wave it and then film it, to present "a picture" for the World media of Russian involvment and meddling, because they want to influence western politicians more, knowing that Russian flag motivates them to beyond measure to out-invest the cause, trying to overcome Russian investment.

I don't think ECOWAS will invade. Their contingents they can put together are kinda useless.

There was strong language used between France and Mali and Mali is being in the state of coup for years now (the ruling colonel couped several governments since the first coup), and in France has thousands of soldiers in Mali (I think liek 7000 or so). Plus the ECOWAS, plus the MINUSMA.

Mali also has Wagner, doing Wagner business. They could give Russian flags to Nigers.

I think Niger will do just fine. Things might look heated in the media at the moment.

Although I haven't checked the situation in Mali half year now, so things could be different.

i rarely praise Wion, but when India has no intrest in the region, it seems like they not picked a side and actually invited independent expert now to voice his opinion.

 

Of course if India would have skin in the game, they would have a propaganda textbook and would only invite people who would say what they "have to say".

Burkina Faso and Mali voiced that they would defend independence of Niger in case of invasion. They also ruled by juntas, so they understand that if Niger falls, they would either be forced to absorb refugees or be next on the chopping block.

 

So there appears to be like a power block of three countries BurkinaFaso-Niger-Mali with mutual defence capability? That was very fast ! But its not out of blue, we have to understand that ECOWAS issuing ultimatum of 7 days OR INVASION! - this was very radical threat, this was out of the blue unexpected, and unexpected radicalism is met with unexpected radicalism.

 

This may significantly cool the hot heads in ECOWAS because now they not only looking at border with Niger, but also at much larger border with Mali and BF. Some junior ECOWAS countries who before would be cheerleading invasion, because they thought that it wouldn't affect them because they don't have border with Niger, now might get cold shower on their head realizing that their support for invasion of Niger wouldn't go without consequences for them. The whole conflict could become very big, and potentially drag more countries in. Does ECOWAS really want it? And if not, what if they back down now? Wouldn't they appear too weak and face consequences from this new Western-African junta aliance they rushed into existance with their hastly declared ultimatums?

i listen to some African podcasts and blogs and people in Africa are wild. I mean - i am conspiracy theorist, but some of those guys in Africa claiming impossible things - like they claim that this coup in Niger is orchestrated by South Africa as a fasle flag to blame Nigerian president for it, because he won election illegitematelly.

Africans are like children, they are walking into a big BIG war, akin to WW1 and they are completelly clueless, like fucking children, instead talking about conspiracy theories. Most of those countries are poor shitholes and they don't even control some of their own territory due to islamic terrorist anclaves, and they want to enter a war with Niger in this state. Why? It looks like France is playing its african puppet states to return its another puppet state in the crown. But France doesn't want to put troops on the ground or get hands dirty, so they are using dumb ECOWAS block to do the dirty deadly work. What is going to happen if ECOWAS wins - France will get the spoils.

Some Africans really dream of becoming meaningfull powers on the world-board and see invasion into Niger as a chance to prove their worth, mettle. Some people in Nigeria want to be like Kenya which is sending troops to Haiti, projecting power overseas. Isn't that a scary thought - African nations sending troops to Americas to quell unrest? But it reminds me of the time when Ethiopians were fighting along UN troops in Korea. And imagine if one day Nigeria would become superpower and start projecting its power overseas - imagine if there is some war in Europe or Asia and Nigeria sends 1 million black army to support one side. That is a very very scary thought, but this is what some Africans are dreaming about.

reports that Sierra Leone arresting millitary officrers trying to prevent a coup

 

ECOWAS is shaking in its boots

Hmm. East, north-east Mali is still ISIL, Al Qaeda. Perhaps they'll also join the fray for their own interest.

 

And they are very clueless, rarely see beyond the "politics" of their own settlement, and their view on national and international happening and them alignment is basically a local business (for example the chief aligns with one side and the witchdoctor with the other they think the war is about them).

Well, the islamic terrorists are themselves too.

Also noteworthy. There is very few people in politics and they are all interconnected in one way or another simply because the social strata that has the capacity and opportunity to get in, is very slim.

There are few places where political elites of Western Africa intersect and meet, during African union meetings and in capital of Nigeria, and all do pilgramage to France. Some of them go to UAE and spend a lot of time abroad, instead of solving issues at home, because once you get the money being the president of African state, and once you seen how foreigners live, how luxury surrounds them, you would never NEVER NEEEVEEEER would want to return and spend much time in the poor regions of Africa solving their problems.

Also, on the border with Nigeria there is another time bomb - its called Cameroon. Why is it the time bomb? Because of its president Paul Biya, who is 90 years old. Thats right, this motherfucker is 90 years old and he has been president of Cameroon for 39 years.

Because no one cares about Africa such troublesome things can exist in the shadow of obscurity, ignorance and indifference. I only hope my country wouldn't be like Cameroon, iykwim.

 

And the country itself has separatists who ...want to speak English. So they want to secede and speak English. not some local native language...nope, they just want to secede from Cameroon and don't want to speak French. Its such a mess, like a powder keg of enormous proportions. Hei, did i mention that it shares border with Central African republic which is also unstable and there are possible spillover effects? Now i did.

 

Some might wonder - why lil Deby of Chad is in Niger?

Well, its simple. If Niger were to become unstable, then Chad would be almost completelly surrounded by fire. Libya on the North is unstable, warlords abound. Sudan is still in shit because army fights quick reaction force. Central African republic has Wagner forces. Cameroon is ruled by 90 year old dictator who might croak every day. And now Niger going to go bust? Deby probably realized that he needs to try to save the situation somehow.

Started listening to Bolaji Akinyemi on youtube - he is ex-foreign affrairs of Nigeria. Very insightfull into the vision from African side

MAP PORN

Meanwhile in the real world:

Electricity is over-rated when you live in Niger and don't have any appliances. and anyway, rich people probably have something solar

OP, please help, how do I explain this literal rubinstein that Chad is a French puppet regime?

for outflow of refugees

Can someone berndpill me on this? What is going on and why should I care?

niger from niger removed half-niger,half-arab president from power and now niggers about to start fighting. You should care because if they do war, then there will be refugees flow increase, also uranium could become expensive

I have no worries about uranium, since Germany was smart and got rid of nuclear reactors.

LOL NIGER

I used to think that it was mere coincidence that the names of Niger and Nigeria resembled the Spanish word for the color black (negro), and that they were actually named after the Niger river. Didn't give too much thought as to why the river was also called Niger until doing a bit of quick research many years ago and finding out that it was probably named by Europeans who used the Latin word for the color black (niger). It's also no coincidence that there's only a one letter difference between nigger and niger.

 

Now post more map porn.

egerew n-igerewen is tuareg for "the river of rivers"

Yeah I just looked that up

 

DAMN

 

But nigger really did derive from the Latin word for the color black, though.

 

I think.

yes, I would assume via french? (nègre)

also the name niger for the river (in this particular shortening) probably stuck only because it also means black in latin, so...

Is that Niger without electricity? Had to heat the outdoors to keep snow away?

Yes. Hot Africa is a big conspiracy, in fact they just heat it up with electric heaters. That's what caused global warming btw.

Niger y nigger.

On Sunday ECOWAS ultimatum date expires

 

Current leader of ECOWAS is president of Nigeria - Bola Tinubu.

Tinubu already asked senate of Nigeria for authorisation to deploy forces abroad. But whats funny is that other countries of ECOWAS didn't bother with such formalities yet. So Nigeria is at top of it.

Nigeria vs Níger

 

Who’s the ultimate nigger?

Nigerian senate voted against intervention.

Déby is working on mediation.

 

And a commentary / op-ed from Nigerian media.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/opinion/614463-before-marching-to-niamey-let-us-pause-by-owei-lakemfa.html

This basically describes all the African countries. None of 'em has much power to intervene in other countries.

maybe i am a bit racist but i struggle to understand how africans manage to recognize each other, even on picture like this, do you recognize faces? Can you say that "oh, this one is Bobo, this one is Nugabe, and this one is Mukasa." And if they switch places, can you recognize them again? What if there is even less lighting and it happens at the evening?

i mean consider how hard it is to recognize some faces, if they all wear uniforms, no beard, no hearcut, all little big swollen african faces. In this situation media can be showing you some guy and claim its the leader of the coup from recent video, but it could be in reality a one year old video of some other army officer in another country. and you won't be able to tell!

meeting of ECOWAS cheifs of staff, they say they have some plan now. They actually had no pre-prepared plans for situation like this and i bet were very angry at ecowas leadership which are politicians - they put millitary in this difficult situation. Of course Nigerian millitary has to do all the heavy lifting, but they have no senate permission, so what now? And what can other countries contribute?

 

What can Liberian millitary add to this invasion? How can Guinea-Bissau add to this? What significance Gambia and Capo Verde millitaries have that can contribute to the invasion? How stronk do you think the army of Togo? What kind of expertise the army of Sierra Leone can provide?

Those are silly questions.

 

 

And i mean...imagine the smell in this room.

Турист - the movie

https://invidious.protokolla.fi/watch?v=PSsMOJCT6PE

Huge rally in Niger capital where Generals are celebrated like rock stars.

 

Also, why they fuck they keep waving Russian flags? We are busy in Ukraine, no resources, and even Wagner forces are kinda in uncharted waters now, not as stronk as before, probably not as capable as before after their march on Moscow. People of Niger only making situation worse by waving Russian flags, because Western media uses it to deligitimize their struggle

Probably not but I think they still have a lot of influence in Africa (Mali for example which is next to Niger)

a lot of them returned to Russia, to fight in Ukraine.

 

International media just talks about Wagner, as if they are some huge force and all they show is ocassionally 2-5 masked guys who stand next to president of some country. Its inconsequential, absolutelly insignifican little speck that is getting blown out of proportion, to justify Western involvment in the region, because Westerners don't give a fuck about Africa, unless there is China or Russia somehow involved. And if RU or China are involved, Western countries want them out and after that they again want to return to the state of "Not-giving a fuck about Africa".

Wagner is in a bunch of place. Bit further in CAR too. Africa doesn't even need large contingents of them at these places.

Wagner was 8K strong at Soledar. And fattened up to 50K by the end of Bakhmut. Even if they were deflated back to 8K or less, plenty of Waginers to spread all around.

Plus fair chance Chiner helps out in Africa in some ways, transportation, supplies.

Map with relevant numbers.

From a dozen to couple hundred musicians is enought to play the flute depending on the situation.

No, simply no. Stop bullshitting and pulling shit out of your ass in spirit " IT was real in my mind". China is not involved in it at all, not a whiff, not a puff, not even an atom of Chinese involvment in this coup shit. They don't do this shit and not getting even by tenth feet long pole to this. Americans soft-couped pro-Chinese leader of Pakistan, which is straight on Chinese border, and Chinese did nothing about the country which is closest to them. China simply doesn't get involved in this shit.

Military of Guinea-Bissau has T-34 tanks

Guinea-Bissau is part of ECOWAS

Will we see T-34 tanks involved in the battle?

Wipe the foam off from the corner of your mouth.

But is interesting that after I wrote China helps Wagner with certain stuff like supplies and transport you conclude:

which means I implied China helped the coup by helping Wagner...

Which means you are actually thinking Wagner did the coup.

China did great investments all over Africa. She will not just protect the investments, but will nudge governments and power structures in a way that will help her.

No, China is a dumb country that is ruled by principle of non-involvment to the point where they are agreeing to suffer billions of dollars of investment, but won't lift a finger to change the situation on the ground, because it would involve their action. China is THIS DUMB. But at the same time, they are doing this, because they don't want to get trapped like Americans who to protect their billions of investments ready to enter wars that cost them trillions of $. Also, Chinese have horrible understanding of other countries, they are SHIT at understanding motivations of actors of those local countries, so they don't even bother.

China isn't even involved on this side of Africa, virtually all their involvment has been east side.

 

Oh yea, in other news:

Some draft of ECOWAS invasion plan floating around

25000 soldiers total. More than half would be from Nigeria, the rest are from Benin, Ivory Coast and Senegal.

 

How is it known? Oh, just imagine how bad is OPSEC of Africans, lol. I bet there are sooooo many people in millitary command of ECOWAS countries, who symphatetic to millitary coup leaders of Niger and could possibly leak to them information from ECOWAS millitry meetings.

Sounds fair. Nigeria claims to be more than half of ECOWAS population.

I just question the whole stupid operation. What are they going to do - start a rescue operation of ousted Bazoum ? If i were coup leaders, i'd just shoot the motherfucker in the back of his head the moment ecowas forces cross the border. So what are they going to do next - try to occupy the capital? Its going to be total disorganized chaos. Just because even the most elite Nigerian soldiers are not even compared to the lowest of the low European soldiers, one Russian mobik has more discipline and promise then their best of the best.

Just look at this shit

This low IQ material can't even march properly, physical shape horrible, mismatch, no discipline, their commanders can't even speak properly. No wonder this idiotic army can't eliminate Boko Haram for ages. And now we supposed to believe this special olympics team can conduct a complex urban warfare and hostage rescue operation. No chance.

What you wrote is dumb.

Also propaganda, to make China look harmless.

And my original point was: China helps out Wagner with supplies and transport and whatever. I did not say:

1. Wagner made the Nigerian coup

2. China made Nigerian coup

3. China makes war in Africa

It is really a huge leap from what I wrote, so huge that in fact is a strawman fallacy on your behalf suggesting that.

But since we are here it's also dumb suggesting that China doesn't try manipulating globally. And the CCP and government doesn't have to do it directly, just allow private and semi-private corporations to do things.

 

That is also dumb. Just because China only had "base" in Djibouti (in 2014 or so, since then god knows what they have and where), it doesn't mean China doesn't have presence elsewhere. They have companies, representatives, workers, offices, warehouses, ports, docks whatever. Just search "chinese in africa". Yes, this is a legit way of giving source in this case.

It is very easy for Wagner to contract with a Chinese company to supply them fuel or MRE's, or auto parts, and so on.

You haven't yet proved a single contact between Wagner and China - its again "i want to believe it, so its real in my mind, so it must be true!" You nigger is suggesting that Chinese enteties would be dealing with paramillitary organisation from Russia which at some point challenged Putin himself. You absolutelly incapable of understanding how things run in China and in Russia.

 

China is a cucked nation, where abroad there is no independent initiative, everyone listens to what foreign ministry of China, and they do not interfere, they don't deal with qustionable warlords from Russia, and there is no grassroots shit from Chinese abroad.

if Communist party of China says "Suck it, take the L, loose billions, do not respond, do not strike back, not defend yourself" - obidient China-man will do what he is told, because Communist party knows the best. That has happened countless times.

If China would be smart country, they wouldn't send their people unprotected in Central African Republic. They would have some escort to defend them. But shit like that is not happening. And even after some niggers killed 8 China men, what does Chinese ministry do? Condemn the attack and issue warning to not travel there. Just washed their hands and forgot about their people. Didn't retaliate, because China has no assets on the ground, completelly toothless dragon. and this hungarian idiotto thinks China has some sway in Africa. All they have is money but no muscle, and completelly shackeled by toothless, incompetent and shy ministry of foreign affairs. China can only act as wolf warrior on the pages of Global times and close to its shores where they can throw rock from it, but abroad little farther than than - they don't do shit.

Yeah. I heard reports before going sleep, at night they moved troops towards bresidential palace house arrest. So clearly he's been taken hostage.

 

Reports incoming that French army attacked national guard in Niger. And thats expected.

 

There are like 1000 of French soldiers still in country, in the airfield. Smart people would turn the airfield unusable, would drive huge trucks with concrete blocks, gravel and place them on the airfield everywhere, preventing any plane from landing or taking off. But we are talking niggers in Niger here, so all this time French soldiers were still in the capital, in the airfield. They can capture airfield and then more hellicopters of French army would arrive with special forces. And then ECOWAS forces would breach the border next.

 

but maybe its just misunderstanding or, maybe French army was defending itself from national guard of Niger, that was trying to remove them. Anyway, even in that case French might respond with something heavy handed

inb4 niggers fired at fagner bc they think wypepo = french

Why don't we have discussion threads for other African ongoing conflicts? Ethiopian, Sudanese civil wars feel overlooked when you discuss Niger so much. Even Nigeria despite being the voice of ECOWAS has regions with civil war (it's more calm today but is still active).

Who the hell cares about Africa?

Africans I think

Tbh I care more about Sudan and Ethiopia but I'm not obsessed enough to poast about them.

It would seem that the clown show in Niger has a particular propagandist value to certain groups, given that our resident rushill is creaming his panties so much in this itt thréda.

 

I do

I live right next so I kinda have to

ECOWAS gives the green light for the operation to start "as soon as possible". (AFP - Ivorian president)

heh, not yet

Junta said it bluntly, they'd just kill Bazoum in case of invasion.

They're gonna kill him anyway and claim French commandos tried to rescue him.

They kept him alive for a while, which is already strange, even gave him phone and arranged visits. Textbook for coup is to either make up a criminal case against the leader, or make him sign his own resignation order.

New threat from ECOWAS, nigger generals gathered in sweaty rooms and got all confident.

Wrong news of the day.

 

The real news:

A mutiny is underway at the presidential palace in Niamey.

 

The coup is getting couped.

You shouldn't take news like that seriously. Just because some fag on twitter says "BREAKING NEWS OMG!!!" doesn't mean its true.

https://www.nairaland.com/7809395/niger-mutiny-niamey-over-unpaid

this is literally some nigger forum where they discuss the same twitter rumor. How dumb are you?

how forums of Nigeria are relevant to the situation in Niger? internet users of Nigeria are in fact the most unrelyiable source, because they speak ENGLISH, and become super motivated, but also confused. They might learn some complex English words about strategy and geopolitics, and they have magical thinking about those words and concepts as if they are real, and not some imagined word by some Westerner that was usefull for describing some situation in the past in very specific geographical setting. People of Nigeria in that sense are similar to people of India, they are like children, they use big words without understanding their meaning and context of origin, following artificial geopolitical concepts as if those are deities.

And people of Niger are francophones, so there is a language gap between them and people of Nigeria. And people of Niger probably don't have enough electricity to use a lot of internet and express their views online at this moment.

 

its been a day, no counter-coup in sight. In fact everyone is rallying around Tchiani. you don't need some CIA level analys for this to be understood.

Back to my point that China is retarded

no security in place when building those over-seas projects. Little problem starts, and they stop immidiatelly.

 

if China and USA would go to war, Americans probably wouldn't be able to do much to Mainland China, but they would fucking slaughter millions of Chinese overseas who are constructing these belt and road projects, and China won't be able to do shit

Wrong, Hausa (and simply Hausa-speaking (as well as Fulani-speaking)) speak on both sides of the border, which is mostly just administrative and not controlled at all.

He is back in Africa. Maybe in CAR, maybe Mali

 

NORINCO is getting bigger, but not enough bigger. Americans can strongly yank the chain of Africans if they get too close to Chinese MIC, possibly by triggering coups themselves in West African countries. Coups will be abundant. Metar Gear Rising predicted it.

Senegalese are posers though

how can she have such good teeth in Mali? They have good stomatologists or something?

Just make your own thread about those conflicts and be autistic enough to constantly post in them, but those conflicts are not as intresting though

 

Like Ethiopian and Sudanese conflicts are getting frozen. Big distances, lack of control from central government due to distance from metropolis, more of a grassroot support from locals in remote areas for rebels create stalemate situations with frozen conflict. Like there was always war in Somalia, with Somaliland semi-independent and central government of Somalia unable to control it. Or West Saharan independence shit from Morocco? That situation is frozen for decades. Same frozen state can happen to Ethiopia, Sudan, Lybia.

Even if ECOWAS wins and takes Niamey, then Niger coup leaders could retreat to desert somewhere or Burkina Faso and country of Niger could be split in two, with another frozen conflict for decades potentially.

but for now this West African vibe-move is intresting though

Something is happening with ECOWAS preparing millitary forces

France is helping somehow

 

Just rumors, hush-hush

fuggggggggggg

i don't feel so good

Fuck, they really took him out... Who's gonna be the head of Wagner now?

Too bad, these two were even good friends not long ago.

Are they hiring mercenaries?

French ambo ordered to leave Niger in 48 hours

France ignores demands to vacate embassy

 

some French Officials supposedly claim that they can support ECOWAS invasion. Its like subtle weight they try to put into consideration, like saying "Invade, we will support you, go on!"

GABON COUP

 

COUP GABON

So what will happen to Chinese projects in Gabon now? I guess Communist party of China wil just swallow this as usual. Hope Chinese workers in Gabon can safely leave. Maybe FRANCE will even help them with that, because China clearly can't do shit. Every coup and instability in Africa is just nullifying decades of Chinese investment, and China can do is...take it. No lessons will be learnt after this, believe me.

This could be just the start of West-Central African collapse. I already said it here -

>>281421 Cameroon is a ticking time bomb, because of its ailing dictator.

Now Gabon is couping.

 

But there is also Equatorial Guinea with its old Obiang Nguema clinging to power in his cheerful 81 years old. The old fool may hope to leave power to his son Teodorin Nguema, who is his vice president, but that youngster(55) already proved to be corrupt and not very popular. Definatelly not the horse to bet on for smooth transition.

People often talk about Democratic republic of the Congo in one context - its cobalt mining and how its BAD and exploitative. Just give your head a ponder - they only care about a giant african country's existance only to value signal a few seconds in a year, lamenting how they have bad workers conditions that somehow alow us rich and sophisticated westerners to have expensive electric cars, and at the back of their heads they have an unspoken thought that maybe the suffering of those children well worth it so we could live and drive so nicely, its never spoken outloud, but they feel it.

 

Another context in which i seen people even mention DRC is remembering Dutch genocide of old. But thats it - NO ONE GIVES A FUCK ABOUT DRC, outside of those 2 virtue signaling topics that are being brought up maybe to maintain 10 second of conversation on the interner.

 

But i am talking about Democratic Republic of the Congo right now. Besides DRC there is also simply REPUBLIC OF THE CONGO without the word Democratic in front of it.

Oooooooohhhh i haven't seen a single faggot online bring up this country in conversation EVER. EEEEEEEEEVEEEEEER. It almost like never exists. Its very similar situation like with Niger and Nigeria. Similar names, right? Niger always in the shadow of Nigeria. And Republic of the Congo always in the shadow of Democratic republic of the Congo. Now even in search engines like Google if you search for Republic of the Congo content and images, you will be offered content from Democratic republic of the Congo, the algorithm simply fills in the word "democratic" as if suggesting you forgot to mention it in your search request.

And this is the shadow of obscurity and i-dont-give-a-fuckism that allows for preudo-democratic dictatorship to thrive in Republic of Congo. Because the current president of Republic of the Congo is this guy. Denis Sassou Nguesso. Another youngling in his full of energy 79 years old. Been president from 1997, longer than Putin. He also changed the constitution just like Putin to allow him to run for power longer, despite previous constitutional terms limits. If shit hits the fan, millitary can depose of this motherfucker too.

but also could be that 2023 Gabon coup is another nothingburger like in 2019

 

back then in 2019 a group of officers just captured radio tower and proclaimed that they have control of the country, and then swat Gendarmerie just showed up, killed and disciplined them. Dumb thing is - Bongo wasn't even in the country when it happened. So the dictator was ABROAD, and they couldn't pull it off in his absence. I mean - niggers be niggers, not known for planning, but don't fail so badly, its embarassing

Equatorial Guinea is a strange county really, they have a capital - on the island Bioko! And what about this bigger swath of land in Africa proper? Its embarassing that the capital is separated from the land. So the dictator lives in a palace on the island, completelly unaware about whats happening in the mainland, probably doesn't even care. So whole country could erupt in a civil war in the mainland EG, but as long as Nguema controls the island, he can pretend to be a president. Rioters from mainland would probably not reach him in Bioko.

 

The island Bioko is a real prime estate of Africa. And it is closer to Cameroon, than it is close to Equatorial Guinea mainland!

 

If Nigeria or Cameroon want it, in case of instability in EG, they can capture Bioko in the future. Prime real estate, prime estate i tell you! There aren't many places like that in all around Africa.

Protesters smearing feces on election billboards of Gabon president. You just know that people of Cameroon, Equatorial Guinea and Republic of the Congo all want to do the same to their old faggot dictators who overstayed their welcome by several decades.

Someone is suggesting that Jean Ping could become new president of Gabon for transitional period

no way lol

that would be a funny twist. The guy is half-Chinese, run in 2016 and lost

The countries of Africa and upcoming presidential election dates in them that could be the hot-days.

 

upcoming 4 years could be hot with elections in atleast 3 countries per year, or ...it could be mild and underwhelming

President of Uganda

Yoweri Kaguta Museveni

(age 78)

Next year in 2024 there are going to be presidential elections in South Africa also.

 

ANC has been losing support, so maybe, just maybe, of course with very low chances - there could be, even though no one really believes it, there could be some out of the blue chance that ANC candidate will lose the election

 

although i don't really believe it, but maaaaayhapse

also at the end of this year - Liberia and Madagascar

Liberia election will be "Who is more globohomo???"

Madagascar election is unspeakable stupidity and pure retardation, can't put into words

Panic mode? Cameroonian dictator is sacking his millitary out of fear he could get couped.

chess moves

Tep lol.

Africa going to hui not even 2 years after Macron starting to finally pull out is such poetic justice.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/07/07/france-military-leaving-west-africa-colonialism-macron/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/27/macron-pledges-to-reduce-french-military-presence-in-africa

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/3/2/macron-says-era-of-french-interference-in-africa-is-over

Niggers can finally get what they deserve.

 

Dumb niggers: "we hate frons, get out"

Gigachad Macron: "ok"

Africa: *goes to hui*

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-64397730

It was just "talk" from Macron, he didn't leave anything. Troops just re-deployed in Niger from Chad. And troops left Burkina Faso and Mali not because he generously decreed so, but because locals demanded it. And to this day troops were still in Gabon.

Macron and his bootlickers just run a propaganda damage control, pretending they are leaving Africa, only to fool fools like you who believe WORDS, and don't look for actions.

 

In Soviet times we made this cartoon, its called "Phrases and bases". A little jew in back pocket is talking big words about peace, defence, disarmament, while the big general in the background is charting the construction and locations of new bases. Its so funny, how this true up to this day. And PHRASES still work on the likes of you it seems.

Less funny news

some general named Nguema named as the transitional leader. Another fucking NGUEMA. Don't they have enough of the Nguema bastart in Equatorial Guinea? This one seem to have property in USA, and really corrupt.

Hurr durr.

Somehow, in zigger mind, Macron is simultaneously a danger for safety and order in Africa who will just roll in and bomb a country any moment if they dare abolish Franc and French language, and someone who packs up his army and leaves the moment locals demand it. Obviously something doesn't fit, don't you think? Well – let me explain – the only reason Macron didn't leave everything yet is because too many regimes still rely on his troops, and he cannot afford to just disappear over night.

They were just ridding the momentum of XX century colonialism. Real imperialist gringo paid motherfuckers already started couping Africa (again).

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/30/africa/gabon-military-officers-say-power-seized-election-intl-hnk/index.html

Yes.

And Macron was literally in Gabon 6 months ago to tell Bongo he's on his own.

https://www.voaafrica.com/a/french-influence-finished-macron/6986482.html

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It depends on the circumstances. THe bastard WOULDN'T leave if those coups wouldn't happen. And even now in Niger he still wants to keep his Ambassador in the harms way as the possible pretext for invasion. Niger demands ambassador to leave, and he continues to defy local demands so that later he could claim "self-defence" if they force him to leave.

 

Fuck off with this SHIT. If France wanted, Boko Haram and ISIS would be eradicated in minutes. They have the most sophisticated drones and missiles, constant surveilance. Americans and French allow those millitants to exist and even help the terrorists, so they would have the pretext for their troops to be in the country. Americans and French create instability themselves, and then offer "protection" from the problems they orchestrate. If NATO wouldn't have bombed Lybia in the first place, there wouldn't be any problems in Niger region, there wouldn't be any flow of weapons, Gaddafi kept the islamists in check.

ngmi

Are you going to tell Macron going to Gabon and giving his speech about pulling out didn't happen?

Attacking the source instead of the argument is equivalent to conceding the point/debate while throwing a tantrum until you get croup.

 

Also Macron doesn't wanted to leave because france was too comfy stealing uranium for their power plants, feigning otherwise is either gullible or dumb. Now the gringos stole france's free ride.

Must i repeat myself? Speeches and words don't matter. ACTIONS matter. I can say to you that i want to help you and heal you, while twisting a knife in your liver, pulling out and striking again. My eyes would be teary and full of compassion, my words would be about how i really want to help you and guide you to safety, while my hands would be severing the very organs that give you life.

But i guess, you would ignore the knife blade, and be like "Wow, this guy really wants to help me, he says so! He gives me the whole speech, his words are on my side, so maybe whatever he does with his hands is just a mistake or maybe i am just imagining it".

Mexican wouldn't understand why Russians hate Voice of America. Its a long story. Maybe you are so misguided you consider yourself part of AMERICA and even defend this propaganda outlet out of sheer stupidity.

Yes. And I already analyzed the actions for you in >>285841.

You try to defend France, portraying their actions as if some voluntary, benevolent yet naive exit, when there was no exit. He didn't leave a single country on his own accord, without the local populace revolting against his goons first. And the only reason France didn't just re-invade with hard force, putting a boot on the uppity nigger's throat, showing them who is boss, the only reason they dont do so is because they can't do it now so openly, when everyone already hates them. Macron is afraid that he will get into another Afghanistan type war without victory, where every local will hate them, and niggers at home, in France, in Paris would also start revolting in support of overseas niggers.

So Macron wants to strike balance of pleasing niggers with lies about how he wants to leave Africa alone, while trying to conserve and save whatever little holdouts his pathetic country still holds in Africa, by using proxies like ECOWAS(the oil and trade from ecowas countries tied to France, France even prints their currency, owns them),l ocal old fuck dictators and their crony families who love to have drug induced FUN in France >>281261

and local terrorists groups that are not being destroyed, but getting fed with weapons from deteriorating Lybia situation. I also wouldn't be surprised that France deliberatelly releases some ISIS members from prisons and organises them tours into Africa. Because if there will be a nest of ISIS in Africa, then France can always say " We needed there, you African countries can't deal without us with this threat, so WE NEED TO BE HERE, WE NEED TO BE HERE TO DEAL WITH THIS".

Yeah, I've noticed.

I use right winger media to counter right winger talking points all the time. You're just making lame excuses.

lmao. You get a stream of piss in your face, thats all you can ask for.

In last 6 months? I don't think that's enough to transit operations to local forces.

Of course, if the local forces don't want to take over and only want French to leave, it makes it simpler.

 

France did return a military base to Senegal in 2010, though. Not Macron but it shows it can and has been done.

Certain other dictators in the region prefer to have their sons have such on Poccnr tho 🙃

kekekekekekekeke

i wonder what will happen with that base in Senegal in less than a year

Africans be like

Based Doctor Congo.

Funny thing - protestors don't demand AMERICAN millitary base to leave. So some question if this coup was orchestrated by USA to fuck with France.

Nguema became the president of Gabon. Why so many medals? Seems over the top. Could be bad, telling about big Ego.

 

For comparison, here is Burkinabe millitary leader swearing oath. Not much gold, simple millitary uniform, not much pretension

Why younger - better

They're free to leave at any time.

 

They don't seem to want to, because having a stable economy is too hard.

Ask Montenegro or Kosovo, they prefer to illegally use euros instead of printing own currency.

They'll leave, its not like these coins are somehow hard to print. Its just a matter of time, as i keep pointing out the influence of France is hanging by the very fragile net of OLD-FUCKS who are completelly out of touch with people in their countries. OlD-FUCKS will die

 

I don't mean to say that what is going to replace them is going to be better. Other corrupt regimes will come, with ties to the Gulf and China. But don't bet on anyone being nostalgic about France.

If the people are not nostalgic about France, why do they all want to migrate there?

They are running FROM poverty, not towards France.

The whole fighting in Sudan started allegedly because paramilitary didn't want to merge with army, and now they like "Welp, we changed our mind, now we want to merge". So stupid. If they just accepted it from the begining, they could have avoided so many deaths.

Then why are they running to France specifically, and not so much any other country?

Because they speak French, dum-dum, easy to go to that country. And because there are already established routes, with different scumbags promising to people the transit. its business - smuggling people. They sell what they have at home, gather money and pay to some faggot who using some route leads them to France.

They speak French in Belgium and Canada too, why don't they prefer to go to any of those if they actually hate France so much?

but they do - a lot of them arrive in France, as a stopping point, earn some money or legalize there and then spread to EU countries. Canada also accepts a tonn of them, its just farther.

also - going to country doesn't mean they love the country. Lots of central asians don't really love Russia, but come here because there is no work at home. literally, you can be young guy in Tajikistan, and nothing to do. No vacancy, not many companies, not even shitty work. So they come to Russia, because there is work and because they can earn more here and send money abroad to home.(harder with banking sanctions now, lol)

 

Same with mexoids and USA - they coming to USA doesn't mean they love country. They USE it.