Classes in school has lots of missed potential. Students are quite shy in class they fear to speak. I see some reasons: the fear of failure/mistakes and the consequence from both the teacher and fellow students, but also they fear to sound stupid, having bad accent.

And this roots in the mismanaged school system and frankly how society raises children.

 

Anyway, I agree it's helpful to learn with someone. But also one has to want learning, only those adults start learning anything who has motivation to do so.

I have to turn back to the school system: I think it's wholly misguided, they try to cram so much shit down into the heads of children, like people couldn't learn anything later in their lives. But we do nothing but learning until we get too senile to do so. There are way more important things happen in childhood: the growth and maturation of the body, and the couple of PT classes weekly do little to create healthy adults from children.

a kid learns best when they start young....

That is the perfect time to teach them how to learn. And plant the seed that learning is good.

I could read and write by the time I entered primary school, I don't say I shouldn't had, what I'm saying is that during the years we spend on study lots of things should be a priority over some of the curriculum.

The Polgárs is an interesting case, for them it was a game. And it is also a good point that best way to learn if it feels like playing, an entertainment, a game.

For 99% of the students the school feels like a choir. They are stressed and often by high school, many are depressed (clinical depression). It's not just a waste of time but it is detrimental.

so what's the ideal curriculum then?

I'm not a Makarenko to draw up a complete structure, with proportion of each fields and the content of the school books.

I feel important part would be the integration of the student into their class, so there are no child who feel isolated and left out. This would create a friendlier group, and the students themselves can be involved in helping fellow students in learning - to give an example imagine a language class where the more proficient students each could lead a small group to practice the language together, while the teacher could focus on the least apt ones to help them catching up. Have to note that teachers are more "efficient" when teaching small group of kids (like really small, below 10), everything bigger just divides the attention too much, and even one kid with "behaviour problems" can render a whole class useless.

Another important part is tending the development of the body. So less sitting in class, more activities. If possible in nature too. Some physical activities allow theoretical learning too, think of Aristotle's peripatetic school where they were walking while he taught his students.

Curiosity has to be rewarded, just like taking initiative to learn new things. Mistakes - and acknowledging mistakes - should not be punished, but pointed out then giving the chance to to do better.

 

I'm not sure if Bernd is familiar with Waldorf/Steiner schools. In theory it helps with tard kids. But for example in kindergarten they literally punish those kids who ask questions. The educators only hum of the kids ask questions about the world and whatnot. They smother the children thirst for knowledge. This should not be done. If a child want to know they not just have to be given knowledge but put them as model example to follow for the other kids.

 

Now to tie up to the start, what to teach and what to skip... It would be nice if we could achieve that only a very little portion of the kids remained functional illiterate by the time of leaving primary school. Which is not the case today (so why even teach them anything if they can't even understand what they read???).

Yeah well nobody really wants to work as a teacher, there's constant shortages of them pretty much everywhere I think. Sad but true.

 

wtf :D

 

Anyways everyone knows the best way to raise a kid is to make sure to tell them they will become a garbageman if they have bad grades.

In practice they indoctrinate kids even more.

Their model of "anthropological model of childrearing" is highly unethical and just plain wrong. Outdated Nazi phantasy.

This is true for the Hungary. Last years we could hear many times that the education system lacks in... educators. At places parents had to stand in as teachers. This situation is still unsolved. And won't be.

 

Some might consider "punish" a strong word but essentially it is. The child is interested about things and they give negative feedback by not giving attention, ignoring their questions. It suck.

 

I know some people who wanted to work on garbage trucks when they were kids.

 

Someone said Waldorf was made for the children of tobacco factory workers, and it stuck at that level.

Teaching went downhill when women were teachers. In the past teaching was a job for men only. Men encourage free thought and critical thinking. Women naturally gravitate to authoritarianism and the idea of "do as I say" and actively discourage anything outside of the defined curriculum.

amerifat expertise in a thread about polyglotism

Nah,cut the gender bs. Some people just suck. Btw,Idiocracy was a documentary.

School was harsh, strict and orderly in the past. Especially when all the schools were run by the Church.

The most common answer is нормально (normalno) = it's ok.

Or всё в порядке (fsyaw fparyadke) = everything's fine (in order) Then, don't ask us, "kak dela?" 🤣 Most of us still don't know etiquette of small talk🤣 and really assume u wanna know how we are doing🤣

*kills u*

A real mexican would say "caigale güera, hay tacos, cervezas y todo" or a real Mexican would've shoved some burritos extra, extra, extra, extra spicy and say "no que muy al brinco mi güerita? Ya caigale mejor que tenemos Tecate, Modelo o Heineken si se pone muy piquis"