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IsraelBernd2024-12-12 17:23:27 · 2yNo. 329192reply
I'm on the second season of Babylon Berlin and I'm feeling very bothered by the story.
 
The main character is a catholic police man fighting together with the head of police to stop a group called the black reichswehr.
What this group wants? To secretly rebuild the German army after the treaty of Versailles.
 
Like, why and who during the period would care so much and feel so bothered by this, to the point they would put their lives and careers at risk just to stop this group? Who really during the period really thought "hummm democracy is so good, being defeated is good, please let's keep our army down"?
 
The characters really have no motivation for their actions, it just seem like an attempt to create a good guy narrative that doesn't include either Nazism or communism.
 
That the series was financed by the government of Germany, a government mostly led by the Christian democratic union and the social democrats, people with vested interest in depicting a Christian hero for democracy, is very suspicious.
 
Seeing all those characters who so selflessly sacrifice themselves to rebuild the German army, at no personal gain, people who work toward a cause for pure ideology , pure belief, just make me empathise with them, rather than seeing them as villains.
 
What is Bernd opinion of this?
RussiaBernd2024-12-12 18:17:27 · 2yNo. 329202reply
how you even found about this
i watched the trailer and its too much Russian words, and no German at all. Just English and Russian and its supposedly takes place in Germany?
 
RussiaBernd2024-12-12 18:25:36 · 2yNo. 329206reply
>What is Bernd opinion of this?
 
 
 
I think the movie takes place during a difficult period in German history, and the term "army" has different connotations for everyone. At some points in history, people might view the army with admiration, while at other times, with loathing. For instance, ask a Myanmar citizen what they think about the army after the coup of their democratic government. The German army could have been steeped in old traditions and ideas that were hated and feared. So, it wasn't just a pure self-defense army but rather an army intertwined with a set of ideological beliefs.
 
Take the example of the IDF; it is not just a regular army. It carries a certain ideological baggage. Similarly, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard is not merely an army.
 
In the same vein, you should avoid perceiving the German army in this TV series as a simple self-defense governmental apparatus. Instead, consider it as a combination of force and ideology. Some people may not hate the army as a concept but rather the ideology it stands for.
IsraelBernd2024-12-12 21:40:29 · 2yNo. 329252reply
It's not a movie, it's a series.
TexasBernd2024-12-12 21:46:51 · 2yNo. 329253reply
HungaryBernd2024-12-13 08:32:36 · 2yNo. 329295reply
Well you see, since WWII the Germans are taught to hate themselves and they were brainwashed to believe they are collectively guilty for murdering the Jews and Gypsies and homosexuals and for the war and all the suffering it caused and now they can't produce anything logical when it comes to the interwar period and WWII. They are eternally doomed to be confused about their past and they are going to lack the understanding of the zeitgeist of that era forever.
HungaryBernd2024-12-13 08:33:01 · 2yNo. 329296reply
*were brainwashed
They are brainwashed ever since.
HungaryBernd2024-12-13 08:38:34 · 2yNo. 329297reply
You know that categorization of societies, grouped into shame, guilt, and fear based ones. Germany is both shame and guilt based.
IsraelBernd2024-12-13 10:39:32 · 2yNo. 329332reply
So it's a tragedy, instead of depicting the life of one of the colourful Weimar era people that disappeared once Nazis came to power, instead of depicting Weimar era jazz music, drugs, clubs, cinema, economy, they are too concerned in weaving a fantastical story about le evil paleo conservatives being stopped by le good boy Christian policeman?
 
And imagine if they would depict any socialist or communist in a good light! It's forbidden, socialists in Babylon Berlin are literally bydlo who beat people on the dark alleyways.
IsraelBernd2024-12-13 10:42:03 · 2yNo. 329333reply
I understand and I see this, I agree that the army was for example interwined with a certain class of people.
But it's too fantastical to imagine that the Berlin police force would try to stop the training and arming of the reichswehr in the soviet union.
I would even argue
RussiaBernd2024-12-13 13:12:23 · 2yNo. 329357reply
Police and army can often have conflicting intrests.
 
better watch Patlabor 2, it an animated movie, not a series, and it has many good ideas about that and is much more intresting
FinlandBernd2024-12-13 20:32:01 · 2yNo. 329379reply
No wonder the German turn into furries and enjoy feces sexually, the burden of collective selfhate has devastating effects on human psyche
FinlandBernd2024-12-13 20:34:54 · 2yNo. 329380reply
And in contrast, Russians and Americans are told they liberated Europe, while in reality they raped, bombed and destroyed it and its inhabitants.
unknownBernd2024-12-13 22:32:17 · 2yNo. 329387reply
is this just the german boardwalk empire? every country, it seems, has one. britain got peaky blinders, germany got this schloppen - even poland got a boardwalk iirc. now that everyone who lived at the time has died a death you can make it into a memetime like ww2 or that vague manorial era in which all those elegantly costumed shows for ladies are set.
but granny, oh granny i hate them all. i hate them so much i might pee and poo
HungaryBernd2024-12-16 18:40:19 · 2yNo. 329578reply
Twisted minds of the Germans.
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