Who does the bust depict?
This Roman bust was claimed to be from mid. 5th century where I saw this image, but it has the level of detail from the earlier era. Both the depicted man and the artist must be some pagan leftovers which existed well into the times of the fall of the empire, it's always very interesting to see things from the past appearing in later eras which are still the past compared to times we live.
Pic 2 is a bolshevik order with a typo where a writer used the removed "Ъ" letter in surname "Борисовъ", as the spelling was just reformed. Same energy.
It is because on the Talmud It says something of destroying the nose of demonic pagan idols and carving the name of God on the forehead (that is also why some have a Christian cross on the forehead) to cast out the demon posessing the statue. Christianity used to be just like Judaism so yeah they believed on some of the Talmud things (the Talmud was Made after christianity but it is a compilation of texts and sayings that existed long before).
According to the Mishnah (52b), a non-Jew has the ability to nullify his idols. The source for this is brought in the Gemarain the name of Rav Yosef, based on the passage in Sefer Devarim (7:25) that obligates us to destroy the graven images of foreign gods. Basing himself on the Rambam, the Tosfot Yom Tov explains that since the Torah emphasizes that graven images of their gods must be destroyed, we can conclude that only those idols that serve as gods are included, but if the non-Jew has rejected them as gods, they are permitted.
The Mishnah on today’s daf (=page) explains what must be done in order for the idol to be considered nullified as a god. The Mishnah requires that an ear or nose be cut off, or that the idol is disfigured in some other way, even if nothing is broken off of it. If, however, the non-Jew merely behaved towards the idol in an offensive manner – e.g. if he spit at it or urinated before it, it is still considered to be avodah zarah.
https://steinsaltz.org/daf/avodah-zarah-53a-b-nullifying-idols/
Dāʕish, being the absolute retards they are, tried to demolish everything ancient they could get their hands on, no matter whether it actually depicted living creatures, deities etc. They even planned to blow up the Kaaba in case they managed to conquer Saudi Arabia (lol), if I recall correctly. In some cases they failed spectacularly, as in picrelated.
No doubt there were many instances of ancient statues being destroyed or vandalised by Christians and Muslims back in the day, the Sphinx of Giza being the most famous example (its nose wasn't really broken off by Napoleon, but earlier, and probably by Muslims) but the thing with the noses is, they do often fall off on their own.
Another interesting example of something from a very distant past emerging in time we already consider very distant past, but that thing was also from the distant past to the distant past when it happened:
> 410 A.D. : Etruscan priests are said to have uttered incantations in Etruscan in order to save Rome from the Goths of Alaric. This is the last time the Etruscan tongue was used.
>allusions to the Etruscans still using their language are thought to have been made by Zosimus, when describing the destruction of Rome in 408 CE: By divine prayer and worship in the ancestral manner, which had caused a violent and raging thunderstorm
I'm trying to think of some examples, but the ones I can instantly come up with are not very interesting. Refurbished m16 helmets in Wehrmacht service and Hadrian helmets imported from France for Imperial Army during WWI used in Red Army tier.
Well, there is another interdasting example. The Roman senate actually existed into the 7th century in some passive form:
> It is not known exactly when the Roman senate disappeared in the West, but it appears to have been in the early 7th century, when Rome was under the dominion of the Exarchate of Ravenna. Records that in both 578 and 580, the politically-impotent senate of Rome sent envoys to Constantinople along with pleas for help against the Lombards, who had invaded Italy ten years earlier. Later, in 593, Pope Gregory I would give a sermon in which he bemoaned the almost complete disappearance of the senatorial order and the decline of the prestigious institution,[ suggesting that by this date, the senate had officially ceased to function as a body. Although the Gregorian register of 603 mentions the senate in reference to the acclamation of new statues of Emperor Phocas and Empress Leontia,[ scholars such as Ernst Stein and André Chastagnol have argued that this mention was likely nothing more than a ceremonial flourish. In 630, any remnants of the senate were swept away when the Curia Julia was converted into a church (Sant'Adriano al Foro) by Pope Honorius I.
Rome had population of like 15k people at that point, who the hell were these people and what was their "power"? What did their assemblies look and work like? How did they live in a city of million turned 15k? Very interesting.
Also: according to articles linked here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_clans), a ton of Sengoku era clans are sitll alive and well, including the ones you can play in Shogun TW like Oda and Shimazu.
Another example: this is an illustration of Odin from an 18th century Icelandic manuscript. Looks a lot more like something you'd expect to see from Medieval times.
And another example from Scandinavia, runes popularly associated with vikings were used in later periods.
pic 2 a church bell from Sweden with runic inscription, 13th century
pic 3 the so called Dalecarlian runes used in Swedish province of Dalarna up until 20th century.
As a matter of fact most of what we know about vikings and their religion was written by Scandinavian poets who were Christian and that was after the viking era itself
There's another very interesting thing I noticed: Japanese historic art was not as anachronistic in retrospective context compared to how European art was at the time.
Pic 1. A 17th century battle scene depicting events of Genpei war that took place in 11th century. Samurai armor was different by that time. Not very different, but lacking a lot of details present here like huge shoulder plates and all, the helmets were made much more practical and so on. But this is a very accurate reconstruction on behalf of the 17th century artist, he had a good idea of what events of the past should look like.
Pic 2-3. European 15th centuty illustrations of Siege of Jerusalem (1187). Zero fucks given about how things are supposed to look like when 12th century events are depicted. And I think it was the kebabs who besieged the crusaders that time, zero fucks given about that as well.
It's funny because I don't think the idea of reconstruction was incomprehensible to European artists, I believe it was a deliberate decision. Thing is, we usually attribute symbolism and all to the mysterious Japanese soul, but when they depicted past they tried to reconstruct it just like we do today in the straightest manner possible, while it was the European artists who were doing the weird anachronistic mysterious soul thing.
I spent some time trying to locate "Борисовъ" while in fact it's ""Борисъ" (the first name). Did you try to trick us?
This one is good. Rome senate in the postapocaliptic scenery is some kino tier movie setting.
> we usually attribute symbolism and all to the mysterious Japanese soul
We don't tbh... This is quite explainable on the contrast, Japanese always try to reproduce everything in detail (just look at all the food recipies they borrowed from all around the world and still serve in the form very close to original). Also comparing a separate painting with inner book illustrations is not really fair
> Did oyu try to trick us?
Sorry, I tricked your anus but accidentally!
> Rome senate in the postapocaliptic scenery is some kino tier movie setting
There's a game called "The Age of Decadence" that kind of scratches that specific itch that worries many neckbeards like you and I, but it's still set in a fantasy world that is only inspired by this post-apocalyptic Rome thing. I cannot name a single decent movie set in that era though, not a single one.
> We don't tbh...
Think about Japanese threate though.
> not really fair
The same anachronism thing is common with European paintings. although there are not many PAINTINGS proper depicting battles prior to the 15th century. By 16th century, they would oftentimes attempt to depict ancient battles with imaginary antique attire that didn't have much in common with how the Greeks or Romans actually dressed for battle, but that is understandable.
What I wish to see though is a 15th-16th century painting of a battle that took place earlier in the Medieval period. But I doubt the soldiers wouldn't just be depicted in the at-the-time contemporary armor.
Okay I did find an interesting early example, here's a bit from the "Battle between Constantine and Maxentius" by Piero della Francesca, that's mid XV century. Looks like an attempt of recreating a suit of armor from Antiquity.
But the best part is that right next to it on the painting, we got pic.2
Yes, but think about the bust again: it was brand new in the 5th century, but it was a product of the past in a sense that it was outdated and unlikely to appear in the 5th century, but here it is. Same's energy when a ps1 game gets a licensed release in 2006.
If Silent Hill 1 was Roman classical art, a ps1 game in 2006 is an out-of-place artifact. The last of the Mohicans.
Here's a gold mine of style almost straight out of antiquity surviving into the later periods, I knew about it but forgot to mention: Byzantine illuminated manuscripts.
Compare illustrations from Vienna Dioscurides to Pompeian frescoes. Of course, there is a very significant difference in scale, but still it seems to be not that far-distanced and appears to exist inside the same artistic tradition, although there are five centuries between them.
