Mixed feelings. He might as well be blamed for the failure of 2011 revolution attempt.
Navalny died in prison
there was no revolution attempt, there was no clear path from:
1) bunch of young people gather on the square in Moscow
2)....
3) Putin is gone, revolution succeeds, democracy happens
Navalny or not, no action could have led to 3) because even back then putin was holding for his position and security aparatus was loyal to him.
>unless it's a competing faction that got to him
My first thought.
What worked for Ukrainians would have also worked for us. Riot police capabilities in 2011 Russia were similar to Ukraine's in 2014. 2011 was when the riot police started getting military grade vehicles and equipment in insane quantities.
no, Ukraine had competing elites that have forged the deals with US State Department and EU beurocrats and Nuland who were on Maidan square and were all over the place, promising positions in government of Ukraine after coup. Ukraine had radical groups who were ready to shed blood, who were radicalised and had weapons.
Russia had none of this in 2011
> Ukraine had competing elites that have forged the deals with US State Department and EU beurocrats and Nuland who were on Maidan square and were all over the place
Ok, true. Even under Yanyk Ukrainian government was much more diverse.
> Ukraine had radical groups who were ready to shed blood, who were radicalised and had weapons.
We had these too anyway, post-Manezhka crackdowns weren't in their full force as of 2011. Any sort of disorganized but considerable violence always puts you in a better position than failure without resistance.
Anyhow, I think it was the job of the same FSB faction that conceived Navalny. There is a chance it will cause serious damage to poonya and the wect will push him harder. Some serious investments like the Oscar award were put into making the Russian Mandela recognizable abroad, and it seems like he was granted full indulgence for his past statements on Asians/Georgians/Ukrainians. The orange fool will have a harder time trying to present his midget pal as a figure to negotiate and sign deals with to his redneck audience etc.
>There is a chance it will cause serious damage to poonya and the wect will push him harder.
The wect will punish Russian citizens for it, they will put more sanctions on regular Russians, limit more companies from working in Russia, tighten screws on financial ties of Russia with the world and yet they will continue to buy gas from punya. This is a grim reality - punya regime pushed Navalny into grave, and yet simple Russians will have to suffer from sanctions, even though they had nothing to do with it
and anyway, navalny is more valuable to west dead than he was alive, no one remembered about him for ages since he got into prision
>and yet simple Russians will have to suffer from sanctions, even though they had nothing to do with it
From my understanding, the plan is to push the country into depression and disfunctionality a-la pre-collapse USSR, so that disobedience and disloyalty gain some traction. This isn't a Stalinist Soviet Union where such inconveniences would push the people closer to their masters, and the fridge now holds the biggest role in decision-making process of common people.
>no one remembered about him for ages since he got into prision
That's what the whole Oscar stunt was for. The first thing I thought was "well, if you wanted to be nice you could've at least given it to some Ukrainian doc out of pity, the Navalny film is just a glorified compilation of his yt vids after all", but now it makes total sense from PR standpoint as long as the schizotheory of a shadow faction that wants to timetravel back to 2007 by accelerating decay of Russian gubmint and cooperates with wect is true.
>a shadow faction that wants to timetravel back to 2007 by accelerating decay of Russian gubmint and cooperates with wect
Kremlin is anticipating such faction and actively pre-empts its emergence, punya understands that wect wants to use Russia against China same way as they use Ukraine against Russia, which is why punya said what he said during Carson interview last week.
Recently we even saw that Russian media publishes Dugin's articles
https://ria.ru/author_Dugin_Aleksandr/
he claimed that Russian government used the most deadly and secret toxin to eliminate him and he survived by miracle and was evacuated to Germany where the best doctors of Europe patched him up - and THEN he decides to head back to a country where people who according to him wanted to KILL him. This isn't brave, its stupid. Suicidal even. Do you call every suicider a brave man because they do something stupid and end up dying?
If he stayed in Europe, he could built a team of people, lure Russian minds out to Europe and prepare real opposition of dignity to putin, be the force of good. Now he is dead and the only opposition to Putin in Russia and abroad is a bunch of salty, cringe, venomous jews. Literally every opposition member who is anti-putin is jewish, not a single ethnic Russian in sight. They recently were even pushing for Nadezhdin guy - his last name is Russian, but he is a jew from Uzbekistan!!! If Navalny was alive and abroad, if he wouldn't return, he would look like a COLOSUS compared with other jewish opposition members. And now this jewish opposition is rubbing their hands, because they can suck on grants from the West and monopolize opposition and fill the vacuum left after Navalny's death
he didn't commit suicide, he was murdered
> If he stayed in Europe, he could built a team of people, lure Russian minds out to Europe and prepare real opposition of dignity to putin
right, sure, it would be all sunshine and rainbows because it's unheard of for Russia to attempt/carry out assassinations outside of its borders
and what's up with that rambling about Jews? are you okay?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Russia
100% agreed
>movies from the 90's
Wrong, because by the 90s (and even late 80s with Red Heat) we were more often portrayed as "cold but generally good" people. I get saddenings when I see American movies with good Russian characters nowadays, like Armageddon or that copycat Armageddon with Frodo movie. Reminds me of a future that could have been.
This bitch now claims to be leader of Russian opposition. Reasons? I dunno, i guess because Navalny stuck his dick inside her and ejaculated a few times, so she had his semen inside of her, which now gives her the HOLY RIGHT to continue his cringe struggle. They also didn't got the body yet, so they can't extract more semen out of it to mark more opposition leaders, so thats a good news i guess.
Ukraine is fighting for joining EU, and they are taking loans which have strict sets of preconditions of "inclusivety, diversity, embracing migration", and they also will take loans for reconstruction with the same set of conditions. What those conditions mean? They have to take migrants from Africa to replace escaped and killed male population and they have to allow LGBT parades.
You think those money Europe and USA are giving - is just gifts, with no strings attached? You think they don't bend Ukrainian politicians over the knee demanding them to make new laws that allow Europeans and Americans to buy Ukrainian land, products and giving foreigners exclusive rights in making business in Ukraine, where they could skip regulations?
Yes
And i bet there is a fine print under each money transfer agreement, small letters with conditions at the bottom, but current Ukraine government doesn't even read whats in there. And in a few years Europeans and Americans are also going to come claiming their share, pointing to signature of Zelensky - "Wrong, sir, WRONG!"
you might find that people usually don't root for evil assholes
> As a resident of Kharkiv, Ukraine, he vlogged about the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine and was described as spreading Russian disinformation and propaganda.[8][9]
> In April 2022, Lira briefly disappeared and claimed to have been detained by the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU).[10][11] In May 2023 Lira was arrested and charged with producing and publishing material that attempted to justify the ongoing Russian invasion, which is illegal under Ukrainian law.[6][12] Lira was released on bail, but attempted to flee the country. He was arrested again for violating his bail conditions, and died of pneumonia in custody on January 12, 2024.[13]
> Following the Russian invasion of Ukraine on February 24, 2022, Lira shifted the majority of his commentary to the war. Lira's content was heavily pro-Russian, praising Russian military actions and denying Russian attacks on civilians, as well as doxxing Western journalists.[4][27] His content, which has been described as Russian propaganda and disinformation,[9][28][29] was amplified on social media by Kremlin-linked accounts[30] and praised by Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova.[31][32]
Americans initially wanted Ze to flee the country and be a good "government in exile" figurehead. Remember the "I need ammo, not a ride" response at the very beginning? Initially, Europe was reluctant to help, while America outright wanted Ukraine to give up.
Europe and America are of course happy to give money to Ukraine, because Ukraine ends up spending 90% of that for orders – to Europe and America. By giving moneys to Ukraine, they are subsidising their own military industry.
they wouldn't get genocided, if they comply - they would get pro-Russian president installed who will actually care about Ukraine, instead of selling country to the wect. When pro-Russian president Yanukovich ruled Ukraine they had cheap gas, cheap electricity, Crimea was their, they had everything good and were prety stable, its only after they made pro-wect coup and installed russophobic pro-nato puppet regime they got trouble
if we win this war - Ukraine will actually start prospering, which is why wect can't allow this to happen
PLUS, they already gave those loans to Ukraine, its like investment and if Russia wins, then Ukraine won't pay back those loans and the money invested - will be GONE. So now Europe and USA are desperatelly trying to throw more money, but it will be no use. All of it will burn same way as money they threw in supporting Afghanistan regime. Now taliban lives in expensive presidential palaces built for Western money. Same will happen to everything you give to Ukraine, it will all be in vain and you will lose that money.
Putler already admitted that in his opinion Ukraine should not exist and be part of Russia so stop lying putinnigger.
It's incredible how russians get shit in their head so much that they still defend their dictator. I would wish that the wect fucks you but Putin already has his cock deep in your ass.
you are not even listening to Putin or taking his words out of context
he meant Ukraine in its 1992 borders shouldn't exist, but ukraine as some form of state can still exist and have its president why not
we don't consider ukrain 1992 borders as some sacred borders, because WE RUSSIANS DREW those borders for our internal administrative convinience in USSR, not as borders of Ukraine as independent state
When we win, the Ukrainians will love us same way as Japanese loved Americans after they nuked them. How many died in Nagasaki and Hiroshima? Japanese don't even remember their names and idolize Americans now. Maybe we also should nuke Ukraine and see if they will love us as the result. Wouldn't hurt to try)
>The RDK was planning to a daring raid to """"release"""" Navalny from the penal colony 3. They developed an elaborate plan with the help of insiders. They had access to the transcript of Navalny's discussions with other prisoners and had access to a trove of documents
Source: telegra(dot)ph/Operaciya-Dekabr-02-20-2 (links to this host are autobanned apparently)
I would not take it out of options that Nasralny, the FSB's heir designate, was liquidated by RDK to cause confusion.
>we don't consider ukrain 1992 borders as some sacred borders, because WE RUSSIANS DREW those borders for our internal administrative convinience in USSR, not as borders of Ukraine as independent state
They were borders of the Ukraine independent state 1918-1921 that was invaded and incorporated into USSR.
nah, if you actually research the history of Ukraine of this period, those are just claims, same as right now Taiwan claims China without controlling it, but during that period Ukraine was under control of several groups who were not on good terms and not united by the same government, scheming against each other and even killing each other
Concrete buildings themselves are resistant to nukes already, dumbass. Educate yourself. Back in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, people who were staying in concrete buildings survived. But the rest of the city was built of wood and paper and burned, as did Tokyo during firebombing, with much lesser total yield.
Your original claim was:
>WE RUSSIANS DREW those borders for our internal administrative convinience in USSR
I have demonstrated that Ukraine existed 1918-1921 roughly within those borders (in fact, claiming more extensive borders than the ones acknowledged by USSR in 1922). Therefore, the borders acknowledged by USSR reflect reality on the ground, i.e. Ukraine, not some communist fiction.
You showed some french map that had no idea about what was going on on the ground at that time, because that french faggot who drew the map never stepped in Ukraine and never actually done measuring himself and checked the borders, whether there were outposts
Ukraine was grippled by anarchy with some warlords roaming the land and just doing whatever and there was no central power, it was like Lybia or Somalia now - we pretend that those are real countries but they are not
> Japanese don't even remember their names
So I take it you've never been to Japan. They use every single chance to remind everyone in the country how much of a victim they are (shushing and covering up their war crimes at the same moment because le poor victim cannot be evil). Their love for americans exists only due to the tons of postwar investments (and still some places with heavy US military presence dislike them a lot), are you sure Russia would be able to afford that?
if you care about "the concept" then sure - but i reiterate that it was just a concept, a wishlist map of some mad Ukrainian nationalist. If you were at that time to stand somewhere on these stars and ask a random person: "Hei, What country is this? What border is this?" - you would get different answers from each person, and probably no one would say to you "Well, its Ukraine state! Here is the map, let me show you where it starts and where it ends"
Finally a leader that is not tainted (directly) by jingoism. She is also a woman, and an heir of the legacy that Western media built up from thin air. She's the perfect stooge for Washington.
>vacuum in opposition
Really in recent years what kind of space Navalny filled in besides his cell's and columns on cnn/reuters?
>Really in recent years what kind of space Navalny filled in besides his cell's and columns on cnn/reuters?
the place in minds of people, its all in their heads
but i agree, that its just another puppet, she was also attending Munich Security Conference when the news of Navalny's death hit. Convinient isn't it? So she was attending place where Hillary Clinton was and all heads of NATO and Europe were, of course they crowned her there. She doesn't have baggage of Navalny's right wing ideas and she has a vagina. They bet big on women.
Another favorite toy of Western Elites is Tikhanovskaya - she is their puppet princess of Belarus, grown to be the leader, even if she is not popular and even dispised. Here is the Deutsche Welle Belarus praising this puppet
