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GermanyIT venting threadBernd2023-08-11 17:02:18 · 3yNo. 282646reply
I had ans presentation yesterday in front of the managers. I proposed some changes to the software which would half loading times in some circumstances and some improvements to the user interface.
Everything went through and now I have extra work to do to implement it since I will have to do everything myself.
I already wrote a ticket about it eight months but my product manager has never read it. Every ticket must be approved by him before the team leader can prioritise it. Somehow the pm stopped working on non-trivial tickets completely about 1 year ago. There are even bug tickets that I wrote shortly before the release of the main version last year that are still open with him as the assignee.
I already talked to my team leader about it but he never does anything. Apparently now the only way to suggest changes that might actually have the chance to be realized is to do power point presentations in front of them.
 
During my presentation I talked about moving a button to some place else so it isn't as visible for the customer because it is usually not wise for the customer to click on it. One of the managers was first very opposed to the idea but after half an hour he wanted to remove the button completely. I talked to my team leader afterwards and me and him are pretty sure that this will result in problems in some use cases.
While I spend days thinking about changes and its possible side effect a manager can just decide something radical based on gut feeling in ans one hour meeting. This has a very neo feudalistic feel to me with some elite cast that does not have to work but gets to make all the decisions by the grace of god because he got into that position.
 
I really don't know what a manager is doing here tbh. There is no clear product strategy and I don't see what they are managing.
GermanyBernd2023-08-11 17:13:06 · 3yNo. 282649reply
I usually don't have interact with most of the managers at all but one or two weeks ago I got into a meeting were they asked me what would be necessary to implement some other feature.
I told them in order to do this another team would first have to change their component to support this feature as well. They said that they will speak to them.
Today I asked one of the managers if they had done anything and of course they didn't but he would make sure that the would talk to the others soon getting soon.
 
I'm pretty sure that if they talk to the other team on their own they won't be capable of expressing what I need from them in a way that the other team will know what they have to do. I could just speak to them on my own but I'm curious how this will turn out if they do it on their own.
MoscowBernd2023-08-11 17:34:33 · 3yNo. 282650reply
Give up. Join an open source project to pour your autism into.
GermanyBernd2023-08-11 17:35:46 · 3yNo. 282651reply
Why would you care? Your job is meaningless
GermanyBernd2023-08-11 18:01:01 · 3yNo. 282653reply
I lost all my motivation to do coding or electronics as ans hobby after I started to wörk fulltime.
 
Life as a whole is meaningless. There will be nothing left of most of us in ans 100 years.
 
I care because I enjoy designing and creating software and talk with other about how to make it better. But I have to dig around in legacy code of others most of the time.
PolandBernd2023-08-11 18:18:22 · 3yNo. 282654reply
why move the button and not remove it completely? or, I don't know, make a warning pop up if user tries to click on it?
 
how old is that legacy code?
GermanyBernd2023-08-11 18:35:17 · 3yNo. 282659reply
The software itself is over 20 years old. The code I work with is mostly not that old. More like 10 years maybe.
 
>not remove it completely?
It is hard to explain it if I don't explain exactly what it does which would make this even longer and more complicated to explain. Clicking on it does what you expect it to do. But in some cases it takes very long until it has finished what it was doing and it will lead to others things that you might do afterwards to take very long. Some users tend to click on it when they want to stop working but they don't need to do this. But there or some use-cases where it makes sense to click on it.
 
>make a warning pop
Kek. As a user of the software I conditioned myself to never read messageboxes. If you can click on OK I just click on ok. If I have several buttons I will still never read it properly. Just enough to know what to click on. Just this week I joked with a colleague about it who does the same.
Usually pop ups are super annoying if you can't tell the software to not show it to you against. And this is not a standard windows feature so we don't have this.
RussiaBernd2023-08-11 18:39:51 · 3yNo. 282660reply
quit
GermanyBernd2023-08-11 18:43:34 · 3yNo. 282663reply
Pay is good, the cafeteria is excellent, and the company in itself is not bad. Also I doubt that it is way better in other big companies. If you go to a small one the pay is garbage and it is still a lottery if the rest will turn out any better.
 
I could probably switch to some big car company like VW, BMW, or Daimler as a software garch for a decent pay. But there the manager problem is certainly worse.
United StatesBernd2023-08-11 18:51:43 · 3yNo. 282668reply
been in plenty of similar situations. it is really more about politics than anything else. but why worry, the manager is the one fucking up the product, just relax and get paid. pride cometh before the fall
GermanyBernd2023-08-11 19:49:28 · 3yNo. 282690reply
when you work for a big company, you are basically a soldier. your orders don't need to make sense, you don't need to make actual contributions, results are secondary because once something is established the fairy tale of competition collapses...
 
what matters is obeying your superiors, especially if they ask you to be evil and that is why i look down on you.
NetherlandsBernd2023-08-11 20:16:29 · 3yNo. 282691reply
>neo feudalistic feel
>talked for half an hour about moving a button that isn't even real
GermanyBernd2023-08-11 20:24:37 · 3yNo. 282694reply
>isn't even real
a button in a computer program is no less real than a button made of plastic. Are your words on this imageboard less real then when you had written them on paper?
NetherlandsBernd2023-08-11 21:04:53 · 3yNo. 282697reply
Words are never real, actions are.
MexicoBernd2023-08-11 21:05:53 · 3yNo. 282698reply
THIS WITH THE POWER OF THEN THOUSAND CANIS MAJORIS VY
SloveniaBernd2023-08-11 21:27:23 · 3yNo. 282713reply
Only if you're too incompetent to make advancenings...
GermanyBernd2023-08-11 21:29:59 · 3yNo. 282716reply
>actions are
Like ... pressing a button?
GermanyBernd2023-08-12 07:31:39 · 3yNo. 282779reply
>Only if you're too incompetent to make advancenings...
 
wow look how competently they are complying with the spectacle. truly masters of their craft.
TexasBernd2023-08-12 08:19:39 · 3yNo. 282790reply
I don't know anything about IT but I imagine a job where you can shitpost on the internet when you're supposed to be "working" must be nice.
United StatesBernd2023-08-12 08:59:29 · 3yNo. 282797reply
PolandBernd2023-08-12 09:03:17 · 3yNo. 282800reply
well, it's not exactly like working in a button factory, so you do have some downtime and if you finish all of your tasks then you're left twiddling your thumbs; but to be fair, I don't think OP posted this while being at work (unless he works past 7 PM, which is unlikely)
 
it seems the only solution is to stop caring, so you're not getting frustrated by the shenanigans at the management level
United StatesBernd2023-08-12 09:16:47 · 3yNo. 282805reply
Video gaming for a living.
GermanyBernd2023-08-12 09:45:26 · 3yNo. 282816reply
I don't browse BG from work because I can only access the internet via WLAN there which might be monitored and the risk of encountering cp here is too high. But I do browse on other sites.
Also people underestimate how mentally draining beings ans programmer can be.
United StatesBernd2023-08-12 19:04:47 · 3yNo. 282898reply
basically half the tech industry does 0 work while the other half does all the work themselves
so people hear about "oh you work in tech" and think you are the lazy half
GermanyBernd2023-08-12 19:26:01 · 3yNo. 282903reply
I know that one. Some foids believe that all software engineers are super rich because they know some freelancer that drives around in a sportscar.
 
 
I've been looking at job descriptions of other departments for a couple of weeks now.
Unfortunately they are very vague.
Eg. you will implement features in product X with C# and C++. This is literally the whole description. This makes me think that either the manager didn't bother to think about what he wants that person to do which would be ans red flag to me or they just want to target as many people as possible.
 
The main problem with switching would be that I don't really know how to identify a good work environment. In the worst case it will slowly turn out as bad or even worse than my current one but I will have the additional effort of familiarizing myself with a completely different codebase.
GermanyBernd2023-08-12 19:31:39 · 3yNo. 282904reply
United StatesBernd2023-08-13 04:58:51 · 3yNo. 282941reply
such is the turbulence of life and employment. You must observe and judge and navigate this. especially so in the dying tech industry
i would say just stick with your current position so as to remain employed, but positions and companies are disappearing, so if your judgement is that it's safer and better elsewhere, keep moving. just dont get unemployed for any amount of time
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