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This place is slow. We need more Serious Discussions. What can we discuss?
Can we talk about how people refer to certain types of music as black music while there is no such thing as white music?
What people consider black music is stuff like rap, jazz, blues and some argue even modern rock sprung from black influences. Meanwhile white music doesn't exist, and the closest thing I could associate with white music would be something like classical music or electronic music, but when I categorize classic music as white music then it is racist and nothing keeps a black person from composing classical music even though it doesn't happen for some reason. There's racism going on in the music industry and it is anti-white, people love giving blacks credit for modern music that supposedly only exists because of black influence in the music industry while completely neglecting the very root of what we know as music, which is classical music, and it being anything other than black. How can the music industry give so much credit for blacks that supposedly revolutionized music with their distinct sounds but completely ignore the influence that white people had in music, which arguably could be even greater than that of blacks in the music industry. You've got people talking about how a very white genre of music known as rock was directly influenced by stuff like blues, which originated from the slums in which blacks who used to be slaves created this genre of music. I'd like to talk about just how much modern music really is thanks to blacks and their music and whether modern music really couldn't exist without those influences, because the way people refer to black music and black musicians it really gives off the feeling that they literally invented music while that is far, far from the case. I'd also like to point out that experimentation with music would have taken place regardless of whether blues ever existed or not, and something akin to rock would likely still exist in a world where blacks weren't supposedly so directly involved in creating what we know today as modern music. I cringe every time some white rock artist starts talking about the very foundation of rock music and claiming that blacks were the ones directly responsible for rock, almost completely taking away the credit that they have as artists just to be able to put blacks on a pedestal saying that if it hadn't been for them that rock music would never have existed. I contest that assumption and think that the influence blacks had is being blown out of proportion just so that people can circlejerk about how blacks are so awesome and great and that we wouldn't have music without them, no. When I listen to electronic music I'm not sitting there thinking about how awesome it is that the people involved are white and that I am white myself and how great being white is, why do blacks who listen to music supposedly influenced by them start thinking about how the artists they listen to are black and how awesome it is to be black? It's a massive cope in the part of blacks all over the world, they have so little to claim credit for that they have to force this world view onto anyone who listens to mainstream music, and they are allowed to do this because it's politically correct and the music industry loves to show how diverse they are nowadays. Stuff like people studying music going to africa to study their music with drums, the drums are one of the most distinct sounds coming from africa which everyone associates with blacks and black people, but even that very instrument is something far, far from being exclusive to the african continent, many cultures use the drums for many reasons and also ceremonial reasons. There's nothing completely unique or captivating about africans and their music, people are being misled into giving them a reputation behind inventing modern music when that is not what happened. You could go many places to study drums, and yet the first location related to making music with drums to any music student is africa. They didn't invent the drums, they didn't do anything special with the drums, they are just one of many civilizations out there in the world who use them, but blacks are the first to receive credit for it and are regarded as one of the first types of music ever invented. I am tired of this culture of guilt going around affecting many different entertainment forms that is heavy politicized, every time something great is achieved it's like we have blacks knocking on our doors asking for credit and we give it to them because people think they deserve it. They weren't responsible for music, people only listen to their music because it's there and not because they are super talented music gods which is what people treat them as. Music exists now, and could exist in many different forms, the presence of the african influence in music is negligible and we could easily have done without it and still made great music, perhaps even better than it is today. Think about it, we could have had a much more vivid classical music scene than we do today because it is white music instead of the same old shitty rappers that flow into the industry today. They've oversimplified music to the point where it takes no effort to create them and the quality is dropping significantly. The music made today is about as simplistic as the mind of a black, because we consider blacks to have so much talent in music they've stagnated and stopped trying, but they still get record deals and continue making music because the mainstream media has conditioned the population into thinking that blacks are cool, so any dumb shit music they make is treated like it's good because they're doing it in a cool way. We've taken the mental capacity of a black and made it our target demographic, trash music that only gets worse as time goes by, but blacks eat it up because the artists are black too, and whatever a black person listens to is cool. It boggles my mind how new artists nowadays, who are black, make music for other blacks, but get a 90>% white following because they seem cool for being black. I get flashbacks of an episode of The Simpsons where Homer is watching the television and he's watching a black comedian saying white people drive like this, black people drive like this and Homer laughs and says he's right, we're so lame. Even back then when that episode was aired there was an ever increasing notion that blacks are simply cooler than whites, they've made an entire industry based around this very idea and reward blacks for doing jack shit other than make bad music and they not only get paid but they also get praised. It seems racist to me to separate music by race, but it's fine as long as the ones doing it are black.
>while completely neglecting the very root of what we know as music, which is classical music
jazz roots aren't in classical music though
jazz evolved from ragtime, which was created in the late 1800s using the syncopated African rhythms
so saying that white people should be credited for jazz is wrong given you actually argument with all this skin color bullshit
>jazz evolved from ragtime
Which evolved when negroes in the Midwest took classical piano lessons.
Scott Joplin himself considered ragtime to be a classical piano style.
Arguing that ragtime and by extension jazz isn't derived from classical music because it happened to be negro composers who developed it is like arguing that Russian romanticism isn't classical music because it was developed by asiatics.
>the young Joplin was serious and ambitious studying music and playing the piano after school. While a few local teachers aided him, he received most of his musical education from Julius Weiss, a German-born American Jewish music professor who had immigrated to Texas in the late 1860s and was employed as music tutor by a prominent local business family.
>Weiss had studied music at a German university and was listed in town records as a professor of music. Impressed by Joplin's talent, and realizing the Joplin family's dire straits, Weiss taught him free of charge. While tutoring Joplin from the ages of 11 to 16, Weiss introduced him to folk and classical music, including opera. Weiss helped Joplin appreciate music as an "art as well as an entertainment"
>Joplin never forgot Weiss. In his later years, after achieving fame as a composer, Joplin sent his former teacher "gifts of money when he was old and ill" until Weiss died.
Purely unrelated to classical, you say.
>What about classical music or folk music of Europeans country? What about country in the US?
That's the thing, though, these genres are definitely leaning more towards white people but they aren't popular for it. For it to be defined as white music wouldn't work out, it's just music and not white music. Unlike black music where it is very common for certain sounds to be categorized as black music without issues, the same thing cannot be done for white music because it would be considered bigoted. White music is just music, black music is black music. Again, I don't like setting certain sounds apart from eachother because to me it all falls under the category of music, but as soon as it comes to black music we need to educate ourselves in what black music is because it supposedly is completely separate from what one would consider to be just music. White music isn't defined as white music by the people who listen to them, unlike black music where they take pride in it being set apart from just regular music, even though it's wrong.
whatever
the other negroes who did ragtime as well received musical training because they played for wypipo
and syncopation being afrikan is wewuzzery
see:
YouTube: YE2iyBRmA_g (jump to 16:40 where the 12/32 part with real ragtime rhythm starts)