cucks. CUCKS.
Ukrainians know that Western people are easy to fool and have 0 critital thinking. What do you know - even asking for "proof" was shown as something outrageous in Western world
your people can't comprehend that there could be something other than "GOOD vs. EVIL" and there could be some gray zone. Which is why many in the West were so BLOWN THE FUCK AWAY with the game Witcher. The concept of lesser evil, the idea that the supposed monsters can be talking, that there are no clear good guys. Same about Dark Souls - wait, EVERYONE is evil and in the end you are fighting for evil? MIND BLOWN. Spec Ops: the Line - are we there baddies? BRAIN BLOWN THE FUCK OFF
And these retards of course can be fooled into believing simplified Bad Russians vs. Good Ukrainians.
i haven't seen that video and doubt its real
Thats probably Ukrainian territorial defence who looted the Russian uniform and now playing the role of bad Russians on camera to influence people like you - thats called Psychological operations and they Americans from Fort Bragg probably orchestrating it
So its like a movie with multiple acts? With bad guys doing evil things and then good guys showing up? Does it have the music out of nowhere too, with sad music when civilians get killed and orchestra when the territorial defence shows up? Does it have a zoom up on the eyes of the territorial defence fightiers so we could that its a woman? Do they also save kitten in the end from the Russians and pet it while it purrs?
Come on you have to be real dumb to think that its not staged.
Russia doesn't even threaten Finland, you are one of the few countries Russia has no problems with, we had no problems for 30 years, no skirmishes on the border, no diplomatic scandals, no territorial claims. Russian border with Finland was the least guarded, we had like 1 division on the whole length of Russia-Finland border, no threat to Finland at all
But it will change if you invite yourself into the alliance of countries who are enemies of Russia. Basically you creating a problem out of nothing, spoiling relations to fix the problem you never had. And now you will have that problem AFTER you join NATO. But of course now the history of peacefull co-existance of Russia and Finland for 30 years will have to be overwritten and propaganda machine turned on the full force.
it's better to believe that:
- Ukrainian Territorial Defence dressed as russian soldiers shot their own civilians in the back
- Then, they casually looted the place
- In the meanwhile another Ukrainian Territorial Defence soldiers show up to save one wounded guy that survived
- while Ukrainian Territorial Defence soldiers that killed civilians and looted the place shoot at them with russian BMP with V painted on them (which they probably got from the same place as uniforms it seems)
Sounds legit xD
Well, if Russia didn't keep invading its neighbors, then the neighbors might not feel like there's a need to defend themselves. If Russia thinks us defending ourselves is threatening to it, then that's Russia's problem. Nobody is thinking about invading Russia or anything, despite what Russian propaganda says. Us being in Nato is in no way a threat to Russia's sovereignty.
When you join NATO you are not defending yourselfs, you join alliance of hostile countries who all have to join in in war with Russia. So if some retarded Polish soldier will send rockets into Kaliningrad, and then Russia will fire back, and then war starts uncontrolably - you will be forced to join and your soldiers will die in this stupid conflict which didn't involve Finland in the start, and your territory can be used by NATO to place weapons firing on Russian territory, you will have to provide your waters and airports for NATO and oil, and economy and soldiers and women.
There were many neighbours we didn't invade and invasions happen not out of the blue. Like Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Belarus, China, Azerbaijan. Finland was and is an example of peacefull coexistance with Russia. Untill now.
The first paragraph is just wrong. We would only have to join in a war against Russia if Russia attacks a Nato country first. And they won't, because it's weak as fuck compared to Nato.
The second paragraph: Countries like Belarus and Kazakhstan are Russia's bitches. Of course Russia doesn't invade its own puppets. As for China, it would just kick Russia's ass. They also wouldn't let Russia attack Mongolia. Azerbaijan, I have no idea about.
Yeah, it's possible that Russia wouldn't attack Finland. But Russia shows time and time again that it doesn't respect the sovereignty of its neighbors. So it's not a risk worth taking.
>if Russia attacks a Nato country first
As if they are going to tell you the truth, lol. They probably will provoke Russia by firing into Russian territory or they will cross Russian borders, and when we retaliate, Americans will just say that we lied. Do you know how Americans started war in Vietnam, ever heard of Tonkin incident? It was a lie, Americans first provoked Vietnamese boats by crossing the border, while the American planes were bombing the country side, and when the ship was attacked - Americans lied about where it happened, pretending as if American ship was harassed in neutral waters and they had to respond after this with war. So they will just lie to you and if you question the narrative, the NATO thugs will just break your skull and no media will report on it.
>Original American claims blamed North Vietnam for both attacks. Later investigation revealed that the second attack never happened; the American claim that it had was based mostly on erroneously interpreted communications intercepts.
Same shit was about WMD in Iraq. Americans fake reasons for war, invade, kill millions of people, use chemical weapons as in the case of Agent Orange in Vietnam and then they just fuck off, and everyone pretends Americans are good guys
Dude, some general in USA can wage war against Russia using Western Europe NATO countries as puppets. Very few Americans will die in this war, there is no risk for them, the only meat that is going to die en masse are Europeans. American are ok with that. USA wants weak and submisive Europe that will be dependant on American liquified gas and will have no independent foreign policy, always looking at USA for affirmation.
If all of Europe will be dragged into NATO, Americans could use them in war with China too.
> Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Belarus
As long as they do exactly what Russia wants. If any of them would try a move, well, we see what happens then.
> China
Yeah, give it a try.
If the US would decide invade Russia and nukes wouldn't work for some reason other NATO countries aren't obliged to join their effort so that won't work this way, neither it happened with other US invasions. Read that Article V carefully.
>As long as they do exactly what Russia wants.
They have freedom of doing whatever they want, as long as it doesn't threaten Russia. The freedom of choises doesn't consist from 2 things - sucking Russian cock or trying to fuck with Russia - if you are free, then you can do millions of things which don't involve sucking or antogonizing Russia. They can do whatever the fuck they want.
Ever wonder why Europeans don't tend to trust Russia?
By the way, I have nothing against you personally. I know several Russians who are totally cool. Some of them living in Finland, some in Russia. Lots of people there are totally fine. But the country and its leaders fucking suck. Always have. Being where we are, we just can't let our guard down.
> USA wants weak and submisive Europe
Indeed. Yet it's not about NATO, your brain is still stuck in the Cold War era. US and EU are competing every day while you're waging your stupid wars.
> will be dependant on American liquified gas
So, buying Russian gas is good and independent move while buying American gas is bad and making you a puppet, we got you.
> if all of Europe will be dragged into NATO, Americans could use them in war with China too
But almost all of Europe is already NATO. Do you want to say Finland is the decisive force in that potential war with China of yours?..
So when you can do whatever you want as long as it is in the interests of Russia you're a free country, but when you can do whatever you want as long as it is in the US interests you're their puppet. Beautiful. Do Russians really buy that crap or it's just you?
Yeah, seems like psy-op by Ukrainians, they are chugging it up to raise sympathy for themselves and people of their own country for them are just like props to be slaughtered because they see the goal of "preseravion of Ukraine" as worth it even killing their own. We will find them all and shoot them, we will punish them all.
Buying Russian gas is a choice. Right now you have a choice of buying Russian gas or American gas. But after this you will have no choice. Or maybe you will depend on Qatar and will have to suck the cock of Arabs.
>Do you want to say Finland is the decisive force
No, but i pity Finland. They were beautifull and neutral place that would be the safest heaven in WW3. Not anymore, they chose their side and now their country is not safe anymore and can be target for potential nuking too. But retards think they are getting safer.
i am calm, but do you remember Bucha and how people were saying it was genocide by Russians? Investigation showed the majority of victims have shrapnell from artillery shells in them as the cause of death, and everyone understands that they were killed by Ukrainian artillery trying to chase away already retreating Russian forces.
But Ukrainians were lying back then and they are lying right now, showing the corpses created by their own actions portrayed as Russian doings. Many people started to understand this which is why Bucha shit started to disappear from the news, because the scrutiny over this story really hurts Ukrainians narrative.
>They were beautifull and neutral place that would be the safest heaven in WW3
Yeah, right. Just like in WW2.
If there would be WW3, we'd all be fucked either way. By being in Nato, we are at least on the side who has a chance to win.
But there's not going to be WW3. Russia isn't going to attack Nato, it's fucking weak, can't even handle Ukraine, let alone Nato + EU. And again, nobody wants to attack Russia.
> But after this you will have no choice
Yes, we had a choice and we made it. Isn't it the exact purpose of having a choice?
> beautifull and neutral place that would be the safest heaven in WW3
Do you really believe something right in the middle between states in war could be a safe heaven? If that misterious war of yours happens one of the sides would defintely use Finland, but they would do it much bloodier way.
I see guys with torches, not black magic, sorry xD
and also, coming back to your previous post: >>148369
>and everyone understands that they were killed by Ukrainian artillery trying to chase away already retreating Russian forces
Yeah, in russia
>Many people started to understand this which is why Bucha shit started to disappear from the news
not really, stuff that your army did near Kiev is showing up almost daily in western news, maybe they don't show up in your informational bubble
And all those civilians that have been killed by bullets near the roads, civilians with hands tied up, killed by bullets. Stuff that I posted previously with your soldiers shooting civilians in their backs.
I mean, ok, maybe these people were all killed by Ukrainians that are fighting some kind of weird civil war that we, stupid westerners just don't understand.
But it really seems strange to me that this army of nazi, looters, rapists and murderers (xD) that fights it's own population, managed to kick you out of Kiev
I'm also wondering why you are so surprised that your soldiers are killing civilians, you yourself wrote
>We will find them all and shoot them, we will punish them all.
To me it seems that you are mentally stuck in another century, so is your army
proofc for this one provided by tacc))))
https://tass.com/economy/1443233
https://tass.com/economy/1444429
I also wonder whether Poccnr stopped gac flow to Poland and Bulgaria (which everyone in Europe considered a traditional ally of Poccnr and possibly hard to convince to join the action to refuse pay rubble also given internal politics lol) because the payment wasn't made in rubble & contract ran out, or out of sheer ebil breach of contract)))) can you answer me that?
additional info: I work in company that has contracts with companies in Russia. Right now we aren't allowed to just breach contracts already made before sanctions were announced. So if contract for gas was already signed before, similarly Russian gas companies would not be legally allowed to breach them and not accept payment in currency agreed when contract was signed. Bulgaria seems to be a case of contract not being extended because of new terms not being acceptable. Expect other countries also stop buying Russian gas as contracts will need to be extended and Russia will demand them to be so in rubble)))))
eggs plained
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/economy/russias-international-reserves-decline-22-in-april/2585380
>Russia's international reserves declined 2.2% in April compared to the previous month, according to data released on Wednesday by the Russian Central Bank.
>The total volume of Russia's international reserves fell to $593 billion last month, the data showed.
>This marked a decline of $13.4 billion, or 2.2%, from the March level of $606.4 billion.
basically russian central bank is selling international reserves to keep exchange rate up
>to keep exchange rate up
Weak rouble good for our central bank. Like weak national currency is beneficial to any state. Trump's wars with China were just because of this.
E-L-V-I-R-O-C-H-K-A has been trying to weaken the ruble for the second week, but it does not work out because of the economy of the West that is rolling into the abyss.
>with ~50% frozen
and the largest revenue for hydrocarbons in the last two months. And it wasn't the food problem. That started when Russia and Country-404 supplied most of the grain. And if our grain simply do not sell until it presses (but the Georgia is already pressed kek), then County-404, even if it could sow something, it would not have fuel for it. Plus, India has also banned exports this year. All in all, we are in for a tough shittime.
In addition, reserves have now been spent on stabilizing especially the banking sector. It will be necessary to restore the Donetsk People's Republic, the Lugansk People's Republic and everything that loses from County-404. I'm more worried that our excellent service industry will suffer in favor of industry. Oh well. We'll see what shit happens.
Winter is coming, eurocuck. Winter is coming.
Okay. Let's say you live in a city and live in a house without having a comfortable 22-26 degrees Celsius it normal. Industry is also not dependent on fuel? And agriculture? Logistics for the delivery of goods to cities? You can't collect a lot of electricity with wind turbines either. Of course, you can try and shit your pants, like Britain did. When it turned out that more carbohydrates were spent on supporting "green" energy than on standard methods of generating electricity.
As for me, the usual pampered world end. And everywhere.
