Pourquoi écris-tu en russe ? Ici, on parle anglais ou allemand. Je te laisse donc traduire ton texte afin que les tribus issues des peuples suffisamment développés puisse comprendre ce que tu as écrit. Les barbares n'ont pas leur place dans la littérature krautchanienne et ne doivent en aucun cas imposer leurs standards linguistiques. Merci de prendre cet écrit en considération et d'agir en son sens.
Обращаюсь к полякам, чехам, словакам и пр. Почему вы так ненавидите русских? Мы же ваши братья по крови. Понятно, что Запад богаче, но неужели всё крутится вокруг денег? Западу просто нужна ваша территория, чтобы разместить там свои военные базы, и вас самих сделать пушечным мясом против России. Мы, славяне и пр., могли бы вместе объединиться, чтобы противостоять Западу, их "ценностям", но вы предпочли быть слугами Запада.
Раньше не ненавидили. Ну, кроме поляков, там все понятно, а чехи и прочие западные славяне вполне тепло относились. И южные (словены, хорваты) тоже. Хотели просто хорошо жить вместо того чтоб кому-то "противостоять", но Россия не оставила им выбора.
Для русского языка тут кстати отдельный раздел есть.
Parce qu'il pense que tous les slavs de l'Europe devraient parler russe. Une sorte d'impérialisme linguistique.
You can't just live, unfortunately. Either you resist, or your country will be destroyed and/or enslaved by the West. Putin has been trying to integrate Russia into the West for so long, and nothing good has come of it.
What is happening in Ukraine now is the same as if Canada intended to join the CSTO, start developing its own nuclear weapons, place foreign military biological laboratories on its territory, declare the United States its main enemy, that there is nothing in common between Canadians and Americans, that Canada is closer to Russia or Europe than to the USA, that Americans are not white, but have long been mixed up with Blacks, Latinos, Indians, etc., would try to ban English in the country, leave only French, etc. The West has turned Ukraine into a gun at Russia's temple, and Russia is now trying to neutralize it.
I used a translator, but I hope it's clear.
But Czechia, Slovakia, Slovenia and others weren't destroyed neither enslaved. Instead they benefit from integration with western countries, the quality of life improved dramatically in these countries since they left the Soviet influence (or Yugoslavia in case of Slovenia and Croatia). What for should they sacrifice their own citizens?
> that Canada is closer to Russia or Europe than to the USA
You do know that Ukraine shares border with several European countries, don't you?..
Anyway, if that would be the case with Canada it wouldn't justify US invasion so I can't see why you brought this up. If the Canadians would decide they're better off without the US it's their right. But they wouldn't decide so because they profit from tight integration with the US and it improves quality of Canadian lives, unlike Russian influence in Ukraine.
Государство - инструмент для улучшения жизни людей, если оно преследует какие-то другие цели то нахрен оно не нужно. А контроль над Украиной (и тем более попытки его вернуть) явно жизни ни россиян, не украинцев не улучшает.
In an OP-post I wrote that it is clear that the West is richer. But does blood kinship mean nothing to them that they are even ready to fight against their Slavic brothers?
And in the long run, what will happen to them if Russia loses to the West, if their territories cease to be needed by the West for military bases. The same Poland is a very subsidized country. What will happen to it if the "Russian threat" is eliminated, will subsidies come in the same amount? I doubt it. In my opinion, their current well-being is very shaky.
Blood kinship between nations... Is it something from Nazi diaries? Trying to substitute feeling of 'family' is the oldest form of propaganda.
Would you care more about a close friend of yours who isn't blood related to you or about some very distant relative who you haven't seen or talk to in your entire life, who did nothing for you at all?
> In my opinion, their current well-being is very shaky
With your only arguments being military development. But in fact these countries can also be used (and are used) for commercial partnership and long-term investments, industrial and services, and these opportunities won't go anywhere even if there won't be any external military threat at all.
OK let's go one by one.
>What is happening in Ukraine now is the same as if Canada intended to join the CSTO,
First we should discuss motives why Canada would want to do something like that. This comes later in your post.
>start developing its own nuclear weapons,
Hasn't happened.
>place foreign military biological laboratories on its territory,
Hasn't happened.
>declare the United States its main enemy,
Damn, I guess in your scenario United States invaded and annexed, let's say, Maritimes after the US puppet government fucked up so bad that public uprising led to a parliament coup. Gee, I guess Canada in this scenario indeed has United States as main enemy.
>that there is nothing in common between Canadians and Americans,
Canadians already do this shtick. Especially when Americans start waving guns and bibles and babble about muh freedumbs.
>that Canada is closer to Russia or Europe than to the USA,
Fairly sure a lot of lib Canadians do argue that, how Canada is closer to Scandinavia than to USA. Or how their healthcare is clearly British unlike the USAnian shitshow.
>that Americans are not white, but have long been mixed up with Blacks, Latinos, Indians, etc.,
56%, crime rates closer to latin american shitholes, etc.
>would try to ban English in the country, leave only French, etc.
Or perhaps would insist on using British spellings of certain words? Yep that's indeed happening in Canada.
French's case is closer to Crimean within Ukraine, I guess.
>The West has turned Ukraine into a gun at Russia's temple, and Russia is now trying to neutralize it.
Everything that led to this situation has been done by – Russia. And now you're playing victim.
Do you support what your nation is doing to ukrainians? You have been lied to. Your nation is killing ukrainians, not helping them.
Also, why don't you just let countries choose what they do? Why don't you just not interfere. (Yes, I know it sounds stupid coming from an american, considering why we went into Vietnam.)
-Beowulf
If Russia had not done this, then after some time, American hypersonic missiles with nuclear weapons would have appeared in Ukraine. America did not just withdraw from the INF treaty for a reason. Plus, it was necessary to stop the constant shelling of the republics by Ukraine, which lasted for the last 8 years, and during which thousands of people died, and the whole "civilized" world didn't care. Plus these labs. Knowing how the United States can act (September 11, etc.), I assume that they were actually engaged in the development of biological weapons. If Russia had not launched this operation, many more people could have died, including from Ukraine.
And Russia is trying to act as humanely as possible. At the beginning of the operation, Russia did not even strike at the Ukrainian barracks, hoping that the Ukrainians would surrender. Russia does not need extra victims, because Ukrainians are a fraternal people, even if they are fooled by Western anti-Russian propaganda. We still have to live with them. And the West, on the contrary, needs to denigrate Russia as much as possible, and for this they are doing all these provocations: the Butch, the shelling of the station in Kramatorsk, etc. And now they are also saying that the West is planning a provocation with the use of nuclear or chemical weapons in order to blame Russia for this and exclude it from the UN Security Council.
And the West has always played so dirty. Since the Cold War, for example, they have specially piled civilian planes on the territory of the USSR to be shot down, and then to expose the Russians as evil orcs who just like to kill. And in Ukraine, they did the same with the Malaysian Boeing. And you just eat all this propaganda, even without critically evaluating it in any way.
I wanted to start answering point by point, but soon realised how useless it would be.
All your hypotheses can be destroyed by a single argument: the West isn't a monolith, unlike Russia/Soviet Union. The US and EU have different opinions and often want to achieve different things, within EU there're different countries that also have different interests, sometimes opposite. And even within (most) single countries we have different parties with different agenda.
It's impossible to play dirty or scheme some complicated lies when you have opponents right behind your back, ready to use whatever they can find against you. It is only possible when all your politics is controlled by a united and centralised government like one you have in Moscow.
>Западу просто нужна ваша территория, чтобы разместить там свои военные базы, и вас самих сделать пушечным мясом против России.
And if we join eastern block, situation will be the same. Most of fighting and bombarding would take place here.
>Мы, славяне и пр., могли бы вместе объединиться, чтобы противостоять Западу, их "ценностям", но вы предпочли быть слугами Запада.
Each time when it happened it ended horribly. Most of those people blame russians for communism and ending up underdeveloped, impoverished compared to west.
What's funny in that? Soviets used to keep entire area of eastern europe under their boot and everyone associated russians as enforcers of communism after Hungary was invaded. The same way russians can associate germans with homicidal maniacs because 90 years ago some funny guy with mustache decided to go along with some esoteric racial theories and declared slavs a mass of zerg cattle.
>I was never communist, I never ever saw a Pole in my life
>I can be evil but you will not like this.
And this is even funnier. In first part you write like it's threat to you as a person, but after that you write threat in the name of entire group.
No one will blame any russian individual since they are not the people who get to choose, but there is still some layer of dislike especially when you preach contrarian ideas.
>American hypersonic missiles with nuclear weapons would have appeared in Ukraine.
>Plus these labs.
You seem to be horribly delusional.
>And Russia is trying to act as humanely as possible. At the beginning of the operation, Russia did not even strike at the Ukrainian barracks, hoping that the Ukrainians would surrender.
And here we see exactly what is happening.
Russia is so massively delusional that they literally believed Ukrainians, just like them, lack personal agency. When it turned out that Ukrainians, unlike them, aren't zombies simply waiting for new masters, they became enraged, and out of lack of understanding started killing civilians.
Do you know what propaganda is? I don't really how it works in Turkey, but in Russia they have a huge machine that calls America, Europe, and Ukraine the main enemies, who are only trying to destroy Russia. And all kinds of biolaboratories, stories about Ukraine wanting to attack Russia, and neo-Nazis are all the work of propaganda, which more than half of Russian citizens believe in. The situation is better in Moscow and St. Petersburg, but in other cities, especially small towns and villages - everything is critically bad
I don't really know why they do this, because I was in German only one time and didn't note it. I think America has had a good effect on the whole world and Germany included, but it's still not enough that Germany is one hundred percent on the side of Ukraine in terms of gas and weapons.
Yes, they did. I don't want to sound like a liar to you, but all these stories about biolabs are just nonsense. I don't really know what to say to prove my point, because it's so delusional. I don't understand why Russia is trying to make Ukraine so aggressive when it was Russia that occupied Crimea and Donbass. Has Ukraine ever touched a single part of Russia? Belgorod, Rostov, Voronezh? No, we haven't touched anything.
What about Tornado: All who were guilty of their crimes were imprisoned and only some people were released early when the war began.
What about the most polular unit Azov: We really could have had a case of some symbolism, which is punishable in Ukraine. The problem is that one case Russia can repeat from year to year saying that we have Nazi parades and detachments, although this is not true. I have to remind you that Nazi Germany and USSR symbols are banned in my country. As for Azov now: can those who are sitting under the factory now saving civilians while FAB-3000 bombs are dropped on them be Nazis? So, those who are now trying to save their lives, the lives of civilians, women and children are Nazis, and those who drop bombs, kill civilians, lie about "green corridors" are heroes?
In addition to the previous post, I will say a few words. I have a friend who lives in Bucha. I don't know if anyone here will believe me or not, but my friend told the story of his neighbor who stayed during the fighting in Bucha. He said that Russian soldiers went door-to-door and asked everyone for their documents to kill those with a last name ending in "-nko" (This ending belongs to Ukrainian surnames). And those whose surname ends with "-ov" (Russian surname) - they let them go and did not kill them. Aren't they Nazis? Maybe if I'm lying, but I have no proof, except for all those photos from Bucha.
>My friends friend friend told me.
Yeah my surname ends with -kho as well(I'm Russian), you have to be really deluded to believe in this cartoonishly absurd bs.
But even if we imagine this story to be real.
For what purpose would they do it?
They want to overthrow government, why would the terrorize civillians and make shit more difficult for themselves because it will only result in turning civillians against them?
Guess who benefits from such stories?
I have no desire to prove anything to either of you, you will never believe anything. All Europe sees what is happening, America is voting for the Lend-Lease today, the whole civilized world is trying to help us fight the war against you, but you still don't believe and try to justify yourselves. Honestly, I'm not even surprised. As always, everyone is the enemy, but not you, you're not capable of that, are you?
what documents are you talking about? do you have any idea how hard it is to weaponize pathogens? the kind of equipment needed, the materials, the expertise (which isn't really found from half an hour of google/pubmed searches)? that sort of benchwork isn't possible save at very few facilities in the world.
Russians found some documents saying that Ukrainian universities managed to apply for some international funding coming from America to help them set up facilities for their students to learn about biochemistry, note: Americans do this as a way of doing tech-espionage, they're too dumb to discover stuff themselves so they fund institutes around the world for access to their research and misconstrued everything how it's about producing AIDS-plague-syphilis. Because apparently that's how Russians think.
> They was experimenting with pathogens not "learning about biochemistry"
Kinda the same to me, what matters is the purpose, not the study material. Basically every science lab is experimenting with something that can potentially be dangerous, "experimenting" doesn't mean "trying to produce a weapon out of it".
> they was Ukrainian scientiest, not american students
Yes, this is literally what the slovball wrote. Discovery and learning in science are always close to each other, that's why universities and even modern institutes are occupied with both and difference between a science student and a scientist is only a matter of degree. What's yuor problem with this?
Haven't you watched your TV lately ? We are Nazi Facists but also gay and satanists, that's why :D
But truth to be told, it's kinda hard not to hate you, seeing as you are our only neighbour that can attack us under some bullshit pretext, while most of your brainwashed population will gladly send their children to their deaths.
You wrote that we are all brothers, in next few days you will write that you hate us and will conquer Warsaw because Russsia STRONG and so on so on.
Have you asked yourself a question why the fuck would anyone sane want to be your ally or be under your sphere of influence? You are poor, post soviet shithole that tries to act like a world superpower. It's not like you are bringing prosperity and happiness to the regions that you conquered.
The fact that you wrote that we should stand together against western values is just laughable. What values you've got to offer? Soviet and russian tsardom imperialism ? Orthodox christianity and communism mixed together ?
It's like living near aggresive schizophrenic that has never been treated, stuff that you guys write here (not only now but during 2014 donbas shenanigans also) only shows how delusional you are all are.
Just think about that, you just attacked your neighbour and you are all acting like you are victims with this "But why you hate us?" bullshit.
>bullshit pretext
Preparing for war for 8 years and flooding that cartoonishly friendly neighbor with weapons. Pretty bullshit pretext indeed.
>send their children to their deaths
I hear this exact words time and time again from soyfaces, soldiers die at war, get over it pussy.
>western values
Buzzword existing only inside of inferiory comlex ridden brain of population of butthurt belt of europe.
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>You are poor
Comes from someone who has to clean toilets in Germany to survive.
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>Haven't you watched your TV lately
So what your TV says is truth, but what our TV says is a lie. I see you are a critically thinking person.
I won't bother replying to all your post, but about it's your friend that wrote about those
"Western values"
>чтобы противостоять Западу, их "ценностям", но вы предпочли быть слугами Запада
I agree with you, its a buzzword, buzzword that your propaganda uses all the time. We are not some monolithic bloc of poeple in which everyone believes in same stuff, we have many different people that believe in many different things.
And I'm happy to live in a country that won't send me to my death under, I will repeat that again, some bullshit pretext.
>I hear this exact words time and time again from soyfaces, soldiers die at war, get over it pussy.
Yeah, since you are such a strong and manly proofster patriot, go fight in your "Special Operation" for your "Values" instead of posting on KC.
>buzzword that your propaganda uses all the time
How so i'm not aware of what my propaganda says all the time?
>And I'm happy to live in a country that won't send me to my death under, I will repeat that again, some bullshit pretext.
It's mobilizing its forces and will most certainly send you under some bullshit pretext which was pretexted to you from different continent.
>Yeah, since you are such a strong and manly proofster patriot, go fight in your "Special Operation" for your "Values" instead of posting on KC.
I'm internet fighter.