I'm more thinking there might be some weird ass coup in Ukraine & Russia is just the backdrop to provide needed geopolitical intimidation
For the first time I'm thinking Russia might actually war Ukraine
I kinda do wanna see a happening
This is called the strategy of tension. People in power do everything that they can to keep the populace as scared and confused as possible in order to cement their control. Western European political leaders know that most Europeans aren't scared of COVID any more and are looking for an excuse to keep the societal fear going. Their friends in the media are happy to push fear porn because not only does it keep politicians in power, but it also increases media consumption.
OP's post is literally a source from Pravda, a Russian state run news outlet. Russians have lots of reasons to hate their oligarchs, and the Russian elite know this. Pushing a "war is imminent" narrative is good for both the West and Russia.
Putin came to power promising to stop Chechen terrorists and knows that if he creates fake panic, he can stay in power by promising "security" and stopping "NATO encroachment".
>Russia doesn't invade
>Wect proven to be paranoid lunatic making shit up again.
If Russia wants to tear wect further apart, that's the move. Those pro-Russia voices who went on and on about how nothing's gonna happen were right, and the pro-NATO elements who fear mongered for months will look like clowns.
Russia actually invading Ukraine will make the ones saying Russia is peaceful look like naive idiots, and the pro-NATO ones like the wise practicals who saw this coming.
Fallen empire syndrome strikes again.
Russians are more worried about what others think of them, than actually doing the strategically better move.
Wect already has had tons of internal drama over this, and the usual pro-Russians have been damage controlling hard for Russia claiming that nothing will happen. If nothing does happen, it will make believing the next "Omg Russians are coming!!11" habbening that much less believable.
It's not like Russia has much of anything to gain from starting shit in Ukraine anyway.
Unless Putin's 5D Chess master plan is to get sanctioned to hell, get rid of the last pro-Russian politicians and media figures in the wect, and become 100% reliant on China, which China absolutely will abuse.
>pro-Russian politicians and media figures in the wect
There are no pro-Russian figures in the Wect. Everyone hates us and wants to finnish what Hitler started. It dates back from the Novgorod republic times, when Wectern merchants refused to sell Wectern armour to Russian customers. It's like a hunger, a thirst.
My uneducated prediction about what's going to happen:
Russia is going to recognize the rebel areas as their independent nations, and secure those areas, and in addition the southern parts east of Dnieper river connecting Crimea to Russia via land.
After that new set of negotiations will begin. I doubt Russia has the will to go further than that, as then the issue of guerrilla warfare will become more of an issue more than it is now. Those south-east of Dnieper areas aren't densely populated anyway, and the rebel areas are rebel areas as of now anyway.
Or another scenario is the same but without connecting Crimea to Russia, but just integrating the rebel areas.
Full scale invasion of Ukraine seems kinda retarded. Russia could do it, but they couldn't hold it for long without bankrupting themselves.
One huge factor that is kinda unknown is the Ukrainian will to fight a guerrilla war under occupation. Will the vast majority of the population accept Russian rule if it means this bullshit will be over with, or are they truly committed to this whole Ukraine can into Wect meme?
That being said, Crimea is lost for Ukraine for good.
It's just too strategically important for Russia, that they very likely are ready to start throwing nukes around over it. For diplomatic reasons Ukraine should keep claiming it, but they shouldn't try to retake it at this point. But those other rebel areas are another story. Ukraine can fuck with them as much as they want/can.
during Golodomor father of my grandfather went to western ukraine to buy food and left a wife and two sons (all three of them died then) in their native village Malyi-Bobryk, Krasnopiljsjkyi-Rayon, Sumsjka-Oblastj and when returned with food his wife was alive and when she being hungry for a long took and ate fish she died because of 'заворот кишок' that was caused by previous hunger.
As result father of my grandfather married again and I am descendant of his second marriage.
My uncle told that in Golodomor one child relative was sent to survive to relatives in neighbour Russian village where werent any Golodomor and so child survived.
My grandma from Ulianovsk oblast lost much of her relatives during famines of 30s. She went to the city and was saved by the local dogdor who made her drink chicken soup for few days. As she told it happened because of drought so there was no grass and ground was covered with cracks.
russian_peasants_eating_children.jpg
US Embassy is burning documents as they relocate embassy
https://thehill.com/policy/international/594193-us-embassy-in-kyiv-destroy-documents-as-drawdown-underway
It just seems retarded if Russia invades, what long term goals do they achieve? China can't keep them afloat and it just bonds NATO more.
>As Moscow announces it's withdrawing some troops from the Ukrainian border, we're hearing reaction from the country's foreign ministry.
>Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova wrote on Telegram: "February 15, 2022 will go into history as the day western war propaganda failed. They have been disgraced and destroyed without a single shot being fired."
To be fair, she's 10000% correct. And you're 100% correct that they'll spin it as le sanctions won for us! We won! As if poccnr never would have thought sanctions would happen if there ever was an invasion
>be oil & gas merchant
>germany completely kcmods itself and becomes fully dependent on your energy, rendering it your slave (and pulling Europe with it)
>gather warfunds and gold
>gather armies, cause pressure on the border
>the west starts to panic, stock markets are crashing
>oil, gas and electricity prices go up
>profit
Hackerman strikes again! Won't anybody stop him?
are there any knowers who read anything significant into the Russian nuclear drills over this weekend?
It's obvious they won't be used on the west - but why pull the exercise forward - how does it link to Ukraine?
i just remember every thread turned to dvach tier shitposting when any post-Soviets spoke to each-other, or didn't agree. Sad I had a HDD fail and lost most of the memes from back then.
Russia has no money for this, and even if they had resources to pull of this cockswingin play, Putin and his oligarchy of thieves would see all their stolen monies being frozen by wect.
I still think it's possibility. Russians have a small heda and culture of violence, so you can never know what that country is going to do to get some attention.
That's right, Fucking russkies won't stop shelling their own to create fake news casus belli. Or may be they just heard that sometimes the West has some real terrorist acts and attacks like 9/11 or gulf of Tonkin and they try to emulate that without understanding because they have, like, 50 IQ on a good day.
Meanwhile
Five violators of the border of the Russian Federation from the sabotage and reconnaissance group from the territory of Ukraine were destroyed. The military of the Russian Federation and the border troops of the FSB were not injured during an attempt to violate the state border of the Russian Federation by a sabotage and reconnaissance group from Ukraine, the Southern Military District reported.
Does the Russian recognition claim the entirety of Donetsk / Luhansk Oblast (incl Ukrainian occupied portions), or just rebel force occupied sections? Has Putin clarified? Will Russia help the peoples republics claim these occupied areas?
Surely if Russia will get sanctioned by the west for this, they may as well just go and grab all the Russian speaking clay through to Odessa. Consequences will be the same either way.
>come up with some ridiculous predictions because instead of logic and facts knowledge your mind operates on prejudices
>when it doesn't happen because real life isn't your fairyland you created in your mind to feel better about yourself, just ignore it and stay sure in your objectivity.
Such is the way of a 90 IQ. For example, when Russia isn't going to conquer the "rest of Ukraine", all you're going to do is shrug and say "well, they certainly wanted to and planned to, just like I said; they just pussied out because they are pussies" - so that you can continue telling yourself that you are smart (you are not) and therefore can analyse complex geopolitical processes happening in thousands of kilometres from your home and predict their outcomes (you can not), and also you are very brave, unlike those pesky Ryssa (you are not). As you can see, unlike the processes I've mentioned, predicting words and actions of people like you is rather easy.
>Modern Ukraine was entirely created by Russia, more precisely, Bolshevik, communist Russia. This process began immediately after the revolution of 1917
>As a result of Bolshevik policy, Soviet Ukraine arose, which even today can with good reason be called “Vladimir Ilyich Lenin’s Ukraine”. He is its author and architect. This is fully confirmed by archive documents… And now grateful descendants have demolished monuments to Lenin in Ukraine. This is what they call decommunisation. Do you want decommunisation? Well, that suits us just fine. But it is unnecessary, as they say, to stop halfway. We are ready to show you what real decommunisation means for Ukraine.
so, according to Tsar Putin, dismantlement of Ukraine is happening?
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/germanys-scholz-halts-nord-stream-2-certification-2022-02-22/
Is this part of Putin's 5D chess game?
Also Lavrov rejects Ukrainian sovereignty
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/22/russia-ukraine-updates/#link-QDRBSKY6OZBTBJQZGYRX4WS2U4
>MOSCOW — Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov rejected Ukraine’s sovereignty Tuesday in inflammatory remarks that underscored Russia’s military threat against Ukraine, with Moscow’s troops massed on Ukraine’s borders and inside separatist regions.
>Lavrov, commenting on Russia’s recognition of two separatist enclaves in eastern Ukraine, argued that because Kyiv lost control of the regions to separatists in 2014, Ukraine is not a sovereign nation.
>Only states that represent the entire population in their territory are entitled to sovereignty, and “no one can argue that the Ukrainian regime, starting from the coup d’etat in 2014, represents the entire people living on the territory of the Ukrainian state,” Lavrov told state television.
Maybe the thinking is why need nord stream, if you don't need to pay fees to Ukraine anymore (maybe just some discounted transit fee to a new satellite "Novorussia").
If the west throw all their bargaining chips away over some dilapidated and bombed out pig-sties in the east, what's to stop Russia just going all in?
Wect conquered the world by invading everyone's markets with superior technology and destroying local economy wherever they appeared.
What does wect think those sanctions will cause now? The only thing this is causing is decoupling from market-tributary system.
With sanctions, wectern economy can no longer destroy local production with dumping prices and lack of incentive to develop locally. This only serves Russia at this point. And, to add insult to injury, Russia meanwhile actually can harm Europe with sanctions due to energy market.
The history is that russian armies captured Crimea with fights, during dizens of wars from turks. But Khrushev-pidor gifted it to ukranians just for free mb because his wife was ukraininan, or he supposed that ukranians can be trusted as allies after that. But ukraininans sold their ass to NATO, so Russia took this gift back.
>Also you conveniently forgot to mention mass deportations of crimean tartars to russify the area.
It's weird how much soviet union did these mass deportations. I have understood that this also killed different Russian dialects and this brought up Russian nationalism hard as you no longer had a "home county", only the country and the dictator.
>This information is summarized and synthesized by Marija Gimbutas in The Balts (1963) to obtain a likely proto-Baltic homeland. Its borders are approximately: from a line on the Pomeranian coast eastward to include or nearly include the present-day sites of Berlin, Warsaw, Kyiv, and Kursk, northward through Moscow to the River Berzha, westward in an irregular line to the coast of the Gulf of Riga, north of Riga.
>ccording to one of the theories which has gained considerable traction over the years, one of the western Baltic tribes, the Galindians, Galindae, or Goliad, migrated to the area around modern-day Moscow, Russia around the fourth century AD
They are crypto-balts that got slav'd tbh. Sad.
>Völögda
>Vörkuta
>öööö
who benefits?
I checked etymology for Vologda and apparently it comes from Old Vepsian valgeda - "white", so same as Finnish valkea, valko-.
And Vorkuta is indeed Vörkuta in Komi but in original Nenets' varkuta means "lots of bears" - this one I remember, it's picturesque enough
Putin declares ‘special military operation’ in Ukraine in appareBernd2022-02-24 03:25:40 · 4yNo. 138229https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/23/russia-invasion-ukraine-00011238
Also explosions in Kyiv
This reminds me of a post from the old Krautchan, years ago.
One Bernd said, in case of war, we should have a way to identify eachother, so that we do not hurt another Bernd.
Another Bernd said, if ever I am in a war, I'll scream, "That is cute & adorable!"
And a Russian Bernd replied, if I ever hear anybody say "That is cute & adorable!" anywhere, I'm going to shoot them first.
Official statement of the Ministry of Defense of Russia:
Servicemen of the Border Service of Ukraine have no resistance to Russian divisions. The means of the anti-air defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are suppressed.
The military infrastructure of the Aviation Bases of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is out of order.
Information of foreign media about the Russian aircraft alleged over the territory of Ukraine does not correspond to reality.
I think this has something to do with the fact that it wasnt only me who found it interesting when it was 2014, and a European country used tanks, literal nazi batallions and ballistic missiles to conduct an "anti-terrorist" operation on civilian population, and has been at it for 8 years. I think maybe somebody in the Kremlin found it interesting too and had some ideas which we currently see being implemented.
One idea they might have had: "is there some correlation between the fact that Crimea was promptly transferred back to Russia at the start of the whole shebang, and the fact that no tanks, literal nazi batallions or ballistic missiles have been spotted there? Is this in turn somehow connected with the fact that ~13000 people haven't been killed there over the 8 years?"
The clock was ticking, NATO was rejecting demands to give up its attempts to hanker down at the Russian borders, and I really don't think there were many options left open to the Kremlin after the troops had been amassed.
It's actually very simple. When retarded Germans make sure EU is dependent on fossile fuels, EU has no leverage. If EU would go full nuclear, Russia would have no leverage.
Germany has spent years lobbying against such a solution and made sure everyone in EU is dependant on Russian geopolitics, congrats for being retarded.
I have just cheked american twitter, and i am shoked:
1. Some random fatass mom on the other side of a planet dont give a fuck about slavic conflicts.
2. She implies she can something change
3. For unknown reason she chosed one of the sides
4. Another random faggot supports her "you are the sword, take my shield" lol
LOL. They are just crazy, its like the news from parallel universe. Come on. They believe they are internet wariors and have some missions. Wake UP! You live in america, grow your kids teach your students, dont give a fuck!
"The grouping of troops of the DPR, advancing on Volnovakha, advanced up to three kilometers, and the grouping of the LPR, advancing in the direction of the settlement of Shchastye, crossed the Seversky Donets and advanced one and a half kilometers," said Konashenkov, a representative of the Russian military department.
You do sound like one of those 'retarded gen x'.
I never claimed that abolishing atomic energy was a good or smart move. FACTUALLY most of German households do NOT heat with electricity but with GAS. Atomic power plants do NOT GENERATE GAS.
Feel free to elaborate on how keeping atomic power plants would've changed the fact that the fucking russian sits on the gas needed for heat.
You should also consider to stop writing shit like "lol" because it does make you seem like a childish retard.
It's still the first day of the war. Of course Russia is doing well, as the frontlines are still very narrow and concentrated.
Once Russia gets a few hundred kilometers into Ukraine is when opportunities for the defender start to arise, and we'll see how organized Russian logistics really are.
If it's true that troops are being air dropped in Kiev, then those troops live or die depending on the success(and the speed) of forces coming from Belarus to assist.
If they get stranded there and those Belarus heavy brigades can't relieve them, they are gonna get annihilated.
The Ukrainians I've met fucking hate your guts.
Very true. Including the Winter war, btw. Russians thought they'd just stroll in like Germany into France.
Similar mistakes were made by Nazi Germany later. They thought the Soviet Union would crumble quickly because muh communism bad.
Let's say a Russian pilot ejects from his destroyed plane and a Ukrainian civilian kills him, even though the Russian is trying to surrender. Has the Ukrainian committed a crime?
First: Thanks for explaining.
Now my reaction: My god, roosters are such pathetic crybullies.
I wouldn't be surprised. But if Lugabe is playing his part like a good vassal, Putin will not want to invest the ressources for that if he has Ukraine to deal with.
Yet he is still in power and invading countries.
Vhen, err, my home cuntry *sniff* shitty little Slovenia, is, err, so-called "liberated"... The Russian leadership, *tugs shirt* and I'm hearing zhis from all my friends, will *sniff* err, collaps and err, I claim, be taken over by Slovenian philosophers *tugs shirt* like *sniff* Rome, you know, where everybody had a Greek slave educating the children and so on and so on.
Don't be fooled. The British conservative party is financed by Russian oligarchs and allows them to live lives of luxury in London and launder their money there. I'd not be surprised if they just talk a big game but put many loopholes in.
Our government is spineless bureaucrats and business-enablers. More news at 11.
>Russia's mobile crematoriums designed to 'evaporate' dead soldiers and hide true scale of war - as distraught mothers say their sons were tricked into joining Putin's army and told they were going to Ukraine for practice drills
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10549055/Russian-mothers-say-sons-tricked-joining-Putins-army.html
Damn, Russia has mobile Auschwitz wagons.
2015:
Russia: Minsk agreements.
Europe: What?
2016:
Russia: Minsk agreements.
Europe: What?
2017:
Russia: Minsk agreements.
Europe: What?
2018:
Russia: Minsk agreements.
Europe: What?
2019:
Russia: Minsk agreements.
Europe: What?
2020:
Russia: Minsk agreements.
Europe: What?
2021:
Russia: Minsk agreements.
Europe: What?
2022:
Russia: Recognition of Donbass.
Europe: Minsk agreements.
Russia: What?
Ukrainians: burned alive people, shelled the civilian population, cut off electricity and water supply to the civilian population, set up blockades, neighing over the dead, savoring it through such statements as “fried cotton wool”, “they are shelling themselves”, “stupid Rusnya”, “Moskalyak on Gilyak”, killed children.
Russia: 8 years asked the Ukrainian authorities to agree with the regions of the DPR and LPR, 8 years asked the West to influence their proteges in Ukraine, asked not to expand the borders of NATO
Ukraine and the West: they laid on the Minsk agreements, Ukraine continued shelling and blockade of territories and people, the West turned a blind eye and supplied weapons
Russia: after 8 years of unsuccessful diplomacy, it recognized the republics and began shelling military equipment in Ukraine
Literally almost the entire Internet: WAR IS HORRIBLE, WHAT YOU DO, RUSSIA, POOR UKRAINIANS
