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OuluBernd2022-02-08 15:23:20 · 4yNo. 135279reply
In my subjective field of view, I saw conspiracies working independently of each other. There were the UFO-nuts, Illuminati-theorist, 911 etc. These theories might have had some common ground in the crowd they attracted, but mostly they were separate "entities" and sometimes they were working against each other, i.e. crystals-hippies would never mingle with "Christian scientists". These would operate as an autonomous cult of sorts, with different beliefs, terminology and rites. Central authority was weak and anyone could, with a right effort, change these up as they felt tough. The only thing that tied them together was a lack of faith in the established authorities and a sense of having found out "the truth".
 
This semi-autonomous nature of conspiracy-cults has helped them to morph into something we might describe as a post-modern cult in the making. First, they started off as different branches with only a couple cosmetic points we can hold onto. Now they are becoming syncretic;, loaning and integrating pieces of each other as if they are going through an evolutionary process of finding out the best snares and traps to get more people in these cults.
 
This makes it easy for this cult to become even more muddled and recognizable. No one true "truth" can be found in it, so attacking it is almost impossible. Every member has their own version and parts of teachings can changed so fast that we can never keep up with it, so a huge amount of "debunking" and "fact checking" has had to be set up against it. We can't even pinpoint what does this new "conspiracy-cult" wants as they have no clear "head" we can establish even semi-diplomatic relationships. They can break up or pull together as they see fit. This whole vaccine debate is a perfect example of it.
 
Over the couple of years the narrative has changed so many times over how, and why the vaccine is bad for us. First things I ever heard were, microchips, 5G and mark of the beast. These changed almost after a couple of months to prions, genetic engineering etc. and the process of change keep happening to this day. Qanon-narratives have the same thing. Even if the "leader" Qanon lifted the veil on 2018 and told people on /pol/ it was just a ruse and gave out his tripcode the narrative still keeps itself alive by morphing what is Qanon, what do the elites do and what is their motivation.
 
The other thing is that these new self-altering conspiracies seem to have become syncretic in a way not seen before. Now crystal-hippies, 911-crowd, neo-nazis and charismatic christianity can all jump on the bandwagon and rally behind the theory. Because of this process of change there are multiple narratives working independently behind one theory, so the sworn enemies of yesterday can now team up even if there is nothing else these groups can ever share.
 
My own hypothesis on why this is happening is that we lost the decentralized internet to centralized giants like Facebook and Twitter which algorithmically help these narratives to form. It's central for these giants to form narratives that hijack your brain, steal your time and create even more addictive stories on their websites. They have seen the inherent need for spirituality (i.e having THE TRUTH) and community, I believe these are the things most conspiracy-nuts really crave for. These platforms work as a conduit for these theories, and a testing ground on what sticks. On tailored feeds, every person can get an ideology for their specific niché.
 
I don't really want to blame the conspiracy-nuts. I think they have been hijacked by these eldritch creations we have created to help us find information on the internet. They pick and choose targets that are vulnerable for this sort of thing and amp it up to 9000. They are ever-changing creations that can change up the narrative even illogically as they are not feeling, nor really thinking creatures.
SloveniaBernd2022-02-08 16:20:49 · 4yNo. 135292reply
>My own hypothesis on why this is happening is that we lost the decentralized internet to centralized giants like Facebook and Twitter which algorithmically help these narratives to form. It's central for these giants to form narratives that hijack your brain, steal your time and create even more addictive stories on their websites. They have seen the inherent need for spirituality (i.e having THE TRUTH) and community, I believe these are the things most conspiracy-nuts really crave for. These platforms work as a conduit for these theories, and a testing ground on what sticks. On tailored feeds, every person can get an ideology for their specific niché.
In my hypothesis, this can be seen as the proof of coordinated meddling by some malicious actor.
Likely foreign psy-op.
 
It remains to be determined whether Russian or Chinese. I want to say Russian and that Chinese aren't competent enough, but I can't be sure.
OuluBernd2022-02-09 12:54:56 · 4yNo. 135396reply
Just claiming it's a psyop is just another conspiracy. I'd rather just have a meta-level discussion about how conspiracy-sphere has morphed into this weird and new amalgamation of ideology's. Even still your theory has it's merits and might as well be the whole truth.
 
Still it doesn't really explain well how these different ideologues can work so well together. You can try and make a psyop but I'd still doubt that you can get commies and nazis or crystal hippies and christians to work together. They are ideologically so opposed but still this new conspiracy cult can bring these groups together under the same banner. And even weirder is that they all have started to loan things from each other, even if it would make no sense in the regular world.
 
Also, as a libertarian I have hard time believing a single country can do this. Most governments are incompetent fuckwits who can't do this in complete secrecy. Russia and China especially are in hot water with their internal politics and this complex propaganda is out of reach for them. If you compare this to their regular propaganda it's just not like them. Russia and China both think in terms of pure strength so I doubt it, but I can't deny your claims.
SloveniaBernd2022-02-09 12:59:17 · 4yNo. 135397reply
>Still it doesn't really explain well how these different ideologues can work so well together. You can try and make a psyop but I'd still doubt that you can get commies and nazis or crystal hippies and christians to work together. They are ideologically so opposed but still this new conspiracy cult can bring these groups together under the same banner. And even weirder is that they all have started to loan things from each other, even if it would make no sense in the regular world.
That's the thing. They don't even need to be aware that they're all being fed the same bullshit. A psyop explains how they can work coherently without having to work together.
 
Russia however is somewhat implicated if solely by the fact that "magnetic people" is a favourite trick in eact. People sticking things to them after vax instantly reminded me of russian "magicians" who claimed developing magnetic powers. It's a russian trick.
GermanyBernd2022-02-09 13:55:12 · 4yNo. 135413reply
what do you mean with magnetic people?
RussiaBernd2022-02-09 14:44:59 · 4yNo. 135433reply
 
>"magnetic people" is a favourite trick in eact
 
That's child's play. You should google "Grabovoi numbers" and "charged water".
ItalyBernd2022-02-09 19:53:59 · 4yNo. 135541reply
The content of actual schizospiracies (meaning the ones entirely divorced from reality, and to which some people apparently cling to in an unreasonable manner) doesn't matter.
It's like giving voice to a feeling that's not understood rationally, what comes out is garbled nonsense. It doesn't matter how many times something is deboonked or the quality of the arguments presented, the background feeling is unaffected.
 
The common theme seems to be that a critical piece of understanding is missing. Whether that's merely in the head and soul of the 'spiracy theorist, or in the way an entire culture or civilization looks at the world, is to be seen.
 
The fact though these seem to coalesce is, however, at least partially a result that a lot of people have stopped believing in "the narrative" and are looking for a new one, so they can understand themselves and their place in the world better.
They themselves don't know what's wrong, they're tentatively reaching and grasping for something that holds. A sort of evolutionary process, as you said.
 
>My own hypothesis on why this is happening is that we lost the decentralized internet to centralized giants like Facebook and Twitter which algorithmically help these narratives to form. It's central for these giants to form narratives that hijack your brain, steal your time and create even more addictive stories on their websites.
This is partially true. You must have noticed, however, that the tech giants are scared to death of losing the favor of politics.
Since Drumpf got elected, the theme repeated incessantly by media has been that of "fake news".
Basically, the estabilshment party lost and they have been desperate to clamp down on the suspected cause ("fake news from Russia" lol) ever since. You must have noticed the myriad of ways in which Google has been perfecting its censorship strategies to exhalt "reliable" sources at all levels of their platform.
 
>They have seen the inherent need for spirituality (i.e having THE TRUTH) and community, I believe these are the things most conspiracy-nuts really crave for.
Trufax. Perhaps that's a hint at where our civilization gets things wrong :3
CanadaBernd2022-02-09 20:11:15 · 4yNo. 135546reply
Curtis produces top tier shizo kino
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