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FinlandThe Big Vitamin D MistakeBernd2021-10-29 10:54:25 · 5yNo. 125727reply
Since 2006, type 1 diabetes in Finland has plateaued and then decreased after the authorities’ decision to fortify dietary milk products with cholecalciferol. The role of vitamin D in innate and adaptive immunity is critical. A statistical error in the estimation of the recommended dietary allowance (RDA) for vitamin D was recently discovered; in a correct analysis of the data used by the Institute of Medicine, it was found that 8895 IU/d was needed for 97.5% of individuals to achieve values ≥50 nmol/L. Another study confirmed that 6201 IU/d was needed to achieve 75 nmol/L and 9122 IU/d was needed to reach 100 nmol/L. The largest meta-analysis ever conducted of studies published between 1966 and 2013 showed that 25-hydroxyvitamin D levels <75 nmol/L may be too low for safety and associated with higher all-cause mortality, demolishing the previously presumed U-shape curve of mortality associated with vitamin D levels. Since all-disease mortality is reduced to 1.0 with serum vitamin D levels ≥100 nmol/L, we call public health authorities to consider designating as the RDA at least three-fourths of the levels proposed by the Endocrine Society Expert Committee as safe upper tolerable daily intake doses. This could lead to a recommendation of 1000 IU for children <1 year on enriched formula and 1500 IU for breastfed children older than 6 months, 3000 IU for children >1 year of age, and around 8000 IU for young adults and thereafter. Actions are urgently needed to protect the global population from vitamin D deficiency.
 
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5541280/
NorwayBernd2021-10-29 11:51:50 · 5yNo. 125729reply
Radical idea: go outside
GermanyBernd2021-10-29 12:36:31 · 5yNo. 125730reply
It's cold. Also dark. A couple of centimeters of nose-skin peaking out of winter clothing getting 15 minutes of sunlight in northern Finnish winter is probably not doing much for vitamin D.
SloveniaBernd2021-10-29 16:13:40 · 5yNo. 125732reply
Fourteen adult men volunteered to participate in an experiment to evaluate the potential for penile growth as a result of taking 50,000 units of vitamin D 3 and 100 mcg of vitamin K 2 daily. Penis length increased an average of 0.46 inches and circumference increased an average of 0.523 inches, both statistically significant. These results are comparable to those obtained with use of a vacuum pump or with surgical augmentation. We suggest that men interested in penis augmentation consider this much simpler and safer approach when they are interested in penis enlargement.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/322071346_Enhanced_Growth_of_the_Adult_Penis_With_Vitamin_D_3
MoscowBernd2021-10-29 23:28:50 · 5yNo. 125744reply
So I guess I'm right at eating vitamin D during the winter months.
United StatesBernd2021-10-30 03:56:24 · 5yNo. 125751reply
This isn't a real study
SloveniaBernd2021-10-30 09:19:06 · 5yNo. 125760reply
Why is it not a real study? Because you don't want to believe the results? Or because they published it without submitting it to a scam journal that charges you a couple thousand $ for publication? All the methodology is detailed and all the results are comprehensive. If you don't like it and want to dispute the results, you're welcome to show it's not repeatable.
Reminder that this is exactly how science has worked all the way up to the 60s, when Robert Maxwell (yes, that Maxwell) turned scientific publication into an extortion and money laundering scam by pushing the academia to define his and his friendly mafia journals as serious science and everything else as tinfoil shit. Which goes fully contrary to the concept of science: where identity doesn't matter, only content. Identity mattering is a position of scholasticism, which is exactly what science fought against in the 17th century.
NorwayBernd2021-10-30 09:46:54 · 5yNo. 125764reply
Is D vitamin supplements not enough? How many mg are ideal?
 
 
That's why it's radical, no one is willing to go outside. Also during the summer months I make everyone mad by not wearing a shirt.
GermanyBernd2021-10-30 09:48:44 · 5yNo. 125765reply
Even if you're naked and outside for 24 hours, in some areas in the north that is not enough to get vitamin d from sun exposure. That being said, the average person doesn't go outside enough anymore.
SloveniaBernd2021-10-30 10:16:17 · 5yNo. 125768reply
just eat fish
problems werent
KansasBernd2021-10-31 05:12:26 · 5yNo. 125867reply
Since you're going to be insufferable:
 
1.) What are you fucking talking about? It's not a "real" study because it's not formatted, written, or reviewed like one. This is an 8 page word document with one unformatted table and no other figures. No, there isn't a "methods" section that is remotely comprehensive. Where are serum ion results? What kind of supplements were given? 50K units is an extreme dose, how much is excreted in waste?
 
They don't even discuss one of the most controversial aspects of the penile enlargement field, do you measure your dick ylilauta style or from the balls?
 
I think STAR methods is overboard for many publications, but this doesn't even come close. I haven't read a paper, maybe ever, that had a methods section less than two pages and was condensed for space requirements so that anyone with the same materials, the same buffers, and the same organism could reach a similar result.
 
2.) I don't really care about the journal, or publication counts, and this is generally dick waving. For me, one of the most important papers in my dissertation field was in PLoS One. But, no, I don't think it's gauche or betraying "l'esprit de la science" when saying that shit scrawled on the bathroom wall (which this is approaches) is less, dare we say, valid, than the KcsA paper or even really anything that was just published on PLoS One.
GermanyBernd2021-10-31 05:39:55 · 5yNo. 125869reply
Didn't you know Slovborg is an expert on literally everything from the sun's magnetic activity to haplogroups, jewish plans for world domination and penis enlargement through pills?
RussiaBernd2021-10-31 07:41:32 · 5yNo. 125872reply
Thank you! I am personally done trying to have a dialogue with that clown.
SloveniaBernd2021-10-31 12:08:23 · 5yNo. 125878reply
>hurr durr it's not a real study because they didn't use correct fonts
lol, lmao
 
you do know that studies are submitted to journals in pretty much raw text version? (Physicists tend to use LaTeX, less serious studies just Word documents)
It's the journal that provides formatting. No, the tables in submitted materials are not formatted.
 
A large part of studies that get "peer reviewed" have comparable sample sizes too.
 
You're just seething because they simply posted what would otherwise be a "preprint" and let the entire scientific community scrutinise their findings, instead of paying several thousand dollars upfront for a sham process with "peers" who go through their study and reply back with "nice study but you should also cite those papers: (list of papers co-authored by them or other their faculty members)".
I'd know, I'm a STEMfag, this is how it works.
SloveniaBernd2021-10-31 12:13:12 · 5yNo. 125880reply
Btw, here's another study on vitamin D:
 
In this study, 25-hydroxyvitamin D (25(OH)D) was analysed in 58 Sweden-born sibling pairs, in which one child had autism spectrum disorder (ASD) and the other did not. The study group consisted of two representative samples; 47 Gothenburg sibling pairs with mixed ethnicities and 11 Stockholm sibling pairs with Somali background. 25(OH)D levels were analysed in the stored dried blood spots taken in the neonatal period for metabolic screening.
The collapsed group of children with ASD had significantly lower vitamin D levels (M = 24.0 nM, SD = 19.6) as compared with their siblings (M = 31.9 nM, SD = 27.7), according to a paired samples t-test (P = 0.013). The difference was - most likely - not only accounted for by a difference in season of birth between ASD and non-ASD siblings since the mean 25(OH)D levels differed with similar effect size between the sibling pairs born during winter and summer, respectively. All children with African/Middle East background, both the children with ASD and their non-ASD siblings, had vitamin D deficiency.
https://molecularautism.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/2040-2392-6-3
CanadaBernd2021-10-31 14:55:12 · 5yNo. 125886sagereply
What is causation. Of course spergs are going to spend more time in the home than nt siblings. You're such a fucking retard faggot, go jump off a bridge
SloveniaBernd2021-10-31 15:40:54 · 5yNo. 125892reply
Children at 30 months of age? They go outside when their parents take them.
>The majority of the children in this group had been identified in connection with general population screening at 30 months of age and others had been referred for assessment on clinical grounds.
United StatesBernd2021-10-31 17:03:30 · 5yNo. 125896reply
I have a PhD in biochemistry and I've never paid journal fees for my articles (the department does or I've had them waived). When I've gone through a peer review process or a grant review I've never encountered anything remotely as you've described. You're normally asked to provide more data or remove certain claims, or at worse a new set of experiments. Most journals publish decision letters now and I've never read anything you've described.
 
This isn't a pre-print, it's a 7 page document about guys giving their friends an extreme dose of vitamin D and not documenting anything. They don't discuss their methods, they don't discuss their materials, they don't present any results in a coherent fashion, and when it's formatted like an undergraduate 101 lab report it deserves to be tossed in the trash because of how little care the authors put into wanting to present a coherent view of their findings.
 
Also who gives a shit about latex formatting any more? You submit a pdf of your work for initial review and yes, you have figures at the end that are formatted and presentable for reviewers. You have delineated sections of how you did things and what you used. Once again this is a 700 word scrawling of shit and if for whatever reason this is the hill you want to die on that's fine, but this document doesn't deserve respect or consideration tbh.
United StatesBernd2021-10-31 17:06:45 · 5yNo. 125897reply
Also
 
>I'm a scientist, I know how this works/I'm superior
 
 
Is one of the cringiest things you can say
United StatesBernd2021-10-31 17:08:43 · 5yNo. 125898reply
Except when I do it of course
GermanyBernd2021-10-31 19:10:15 · 5yNo. 125900reply
>I'm a STEMfag
>I'm a scientist
cringe
t. philologist
SloveniaBernd2021-10-31 22:19:32 · 5yNo. 125922reply
Good.
So what will you say when I post this transversal and longitudinal study which is a "real paper" that supports that "700 word scrawling of shit"?
 
>In the whole sample, after performing logistic regression models, higher levels of 25(OH) vitamin D were significantly associated with high values of total testosterone and of all the International Index of Erectile Function (IIEF) questionnaire parameters. On the other hand, higher levels of total testosterone were positively and significantly associated with high levels of erectile function and IIEF total score. After vitamin D replacement therapy, total and free testosterone increased and erectile function improved, whereas other sexual parameters did not change significantly. At logistic regression analysis, higher levels of vitamin D increase (Δ-) were significantly associated with high values of Δ-erectile function after adjustment for Δ-testosterone.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5817208/
KansasBernd2021-11-01 01:40:36 · 5yNo. 125932reply
Where does it say that vitamin D intake correlates to increasing the size of your dick again?
GermanyBernd2021-11-01 08:20:56 · 5yNo. 125941reply
I think he seems to imply that higher testosterone means increased dick size. He has yet to prove this correlation.
 
To me it seems like he isn't doing proper science, but cherrypicking studies to support a vague narrative he has in his heda.
SloveniaBernd2021-11-01 10:10:31 · 5yNo. 125957reply
Improved erectile function. Can you read?
If you cannot reach full erection, your dick will not reach full size. Improving erectile function thus increases dick size.
GermanyBernd2021-11-01 11:10:37 · 5yNo. 125960reply
You can read about erectile function, but not use it practically.
SloveniaBernd2021-11-01 11:38:55 · 5yNo. 125962reply
GermanyBernd2021-11-01 11:52:49 · 5yNo. 125964reply
I'm not "moving on" to the ad hominem. The ad hominems are all I'm here for
FinlandBernd2021-11-01 11:59:04 · 5yNo. 125966reply
Discussion develops interestingly, continue. I wonder why it seems to be so difficult for the scientists of the world to come to an conclusion about D-vitamin. Here the authorities are now recommending to only take 10µg daily and scare people not to take more.
GermanyBernd2021-11-01 12:01:23 · 5yNo. 125967reply
Off-topic: These priest clothes look fucking ebin. I recently moved to a catholic area and saw a guy dressed like this in the wild. Very ebin.
 
On-topic: The discussion about vitamins interestingly often seems to be driven by ideologies and ideas the people already hold, instead of the science, which seems inconclusive or conflicted.
FinlandBernd2021-11-01 12:09:04 · 5yNo. 125968reply
 
But it's not only that about ideologies, authorities, professionals within countries keep debating about it and then they come up with completely different recommendations in different countries with similar climate & people. One would think that places such as the dark northern european countries would end up with the same daily recommendation along with a place like Canada, but no, they are all different.
I really don't care what the real end result and correct answer is, but I just want a damn answer, my autism requires it, I can't continue living in a world where all professionals and experts keep having different opinions and keep changing recommendations.
KansasBernd2021-11-01 12:19:16 · 5yNo. 125969reply
I can l. And I did read the questionnaire and nowhere does it ask about the size of your penis.
GermanyBernd2021-11-01 13:08:26 · 5yNo. 125970reply
Human biology is not yet fully understood. That means you can come to different conclusions and recommendations when considering the imperfect data available. Every person has some set of biases, which I called ideology, and these inform decisionmaking especially when working on the basis of imperfect data.
MoscowBernd2021-11-01 13:14:37 · 5yNo. 125971reply
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/12/13/the-truth-wears-off
SloveniaBernd2021-11-01 14:19:30 · 5yNo. 125973reply
Äuthorities here recommended vitamin D as helpful in case of corona. It was on the naitonal news
 
One explanation: diet.
Does finland eat fish? I know that Norway was thought to not need that much vitamin D despite climate due to eating fish.
 
No, it does not (because you don't know what baseline to compare it against?)
But it is known that improving erectile function by any means improves AN INDIVIDUALS penis size without actually growing it
You can test it on yourself, measure benis on 80% erection and on 100% erection and compare values
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