are you afraid of needles, big guy?
I hate "le you're putting all of us in danger ree" tier cringe vaxie subhumans so much it's unreal
fucking disgusting media-fed pieces of shit
im not saying vaxx will turn people into 5g antennas
it's all just a fancy flu that kills only the elderly and people went hysterical just because of media pumped fear.
I don't like being forced into anything and this thing i'm being forced into is particularly stupid because "threat" is almost unreal
and I hate vaxie subhumans because they are ready to give up all the civil rights they have, pay hundreds of billion dollars to big pharma and opress others just because of a shitty virus that media keeps saying it's too scary
you're not gonna die (or get a permanent body damage) from gorneavirusu if you're under 50 and not obese. im so sick of this fear mongering bullshit
edit: a good quote by benjamin franklin: “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
I just take high quality D-vitamin and Zink and exercise to keep my health and immune system working at 100% capacity and don't care about the virus. Vaxxinecultists are lazy cowards that will do anything to get their sense of safety back, except for taking care of their own health, that would require too much work from themselves. It's easier to just demolish any democracy and human rights anyone has and outsource responsibility to some vaccine.
Getting COVID is still more dangerous. If one million 25 year old men get Covid, about 1000 will need to be hospitalized and 13 will die.
If one million 25 year old men get vaccinated, about 18 will get heart inflammation, but most of them will recover fine. And you could also get heart inflammation from COVID.
It’s just smarter to get vaccinated.
If you had Covid, survived and think you’re immune system can handle it, you’re still twice as likely to get reinfected as someone who got the vaccine. Why would you want to be sick more often?
>smorter to get vaccinated
I think its foolish to do boosters of an experimental vaccine that hasn't been properly researched.
With covid, I think we should have let everything return to normal. There's no way we can stop the spread of the virus now. It's clearly been slipping through the cracks and we could use a cull of the old and weak.
I gain natural immunity and just brush it off like all earlier diseases. It's not the first time I have been bed ridden for several weeks. I think I just had my second variant of Covid and had a sore throat, problem solved by now.
It's only dangerous to fat subhumans and mummies. I was more scared of pneumonia before this pandemic.
>I gain natural immunity and just brush it off like all earlier diseases. It's not the first time I have been bed ridden for several weeks. I think I just had my second variant of Covid and had a sore throat, problem solved by now.
Then you are suffering more than you need to. You have survived Covid, if you indeed had it, and will most likely be relatively fine in the future. But statistically speaking you'd have less troubles with taking the vaccine. I did, only felt slightly tired for about a day and had my arm hurt a bit for a few days. I have never suffered a covid infection to my knowledge.
Why would you prefer to be bedridden for several weeks?
I generally avoid taking useless medicines and live a healthy lifestyle and I don't participate in medicinal experiments without proper payment. I believe if my body is so weak that it can't shrug off a small flue that kills vegetables then it is time for me to go and there are no hard feelings.
If anything, this should be a weak up call for grown people to start taking care of their bodies, it is unbeliable that grown men and women just outsource that responsibility to the state and hospitals, or in other words, the tax payers. Grow up.
Well, this is not a useless medicine and it isn't a medical experiment anymore. Experiments have been completed about a year ago and since almost a year millions of people have taken the covid-vaccines that are available to you in Finland. Pretty much all relevant agencies of major countries are in agreement that they are safe and preferable to a covid-infection for the general population.
Even if you have the healthiest body imagineable, a covid infection is a greater risk than the vaccine. And you will not be able to escape covid.
What boosters? Unless you took the chink garbage vax that doesn't work (and Chile bought Sputnik V to fix that after vaccinating 80% of its population with it lmao), it's all just a marketing stunt to get states to buy more than needed
>experimental vaccine
Ah yes a vaccine is still somehow "experimental" and "hasn't been properly researched" even though hundreds of millions have already been vaccinated and we have more than enough data from that
>we could use a cull of the old and weak.
Stop thinking in binary. It's not a "kill you or absolutely fucking nothing". Taking a hit on making your otherwise healthy population slightly less healthy but still perfectly alive is a shitty option.
e.g. I recall that several US sports players ended up not in shape to continue playing after recovery (mostly from heart inflammation): quick google for examples: Cameron Smith, Eduardo Rodriguez
>I gain natural immunity
Natural immunity is such a fucking retard phrase.
What kind of immunity you think getting vaccinated gives you? It's literally just your immune system training on a concoction that's supposed to emulate an infection in a controlled manner. Literally the same immunity.
Please explain what I'm looking at here.
t.layman
>what boosters?
I believe Moderna has announced their start of boosters. Pfizer has begun to charge EU states extra for their medicine. I'm not keen of pushing these pharmaceutical corporations into a another (golden) cyclical cash cow.
Mrna is experimental and was pushed as a new alternative vaccine technology. It's still very experimental and we're not sure of the long term side effects despite many nations vaccinating their populace. The data only shows short term effects, which aren't as murky as some cry.
While NZ has been largely unaffected (medically) by the pandemic, the economic side is starting to make politicians move hastily in erratic ways to reduce inflation caused by a virus that's failed to kill more than AIDS. Obviously there's going to be side effects from an the unvaccinated being infected but that's a price to pay. Lose your brain cells, suffer some mild respiratory issues or sacrifice your economy, freedumbs and lives as we plunge ourselves into an economic depression. Let the pensioners and frail die, I don't give a fug.
>Literally the same immunity.
Still you don't get vaxx "passport" with getting through covid and gaining natural immunity.
>It's literally just your immune system training on a concoction that's supposed to emulate an infection
We're doing this since forever: coronaviruses are one of the known causes of cold/flu like symptoms, and while they aren't SARS CoV-2 they work the same with their spike proteins. So we already have to have some level of immunity.
>it's all just a marketing stunt
Yeah, it's a scam.
>What boosters?
You gon get boosters. We're just started the third round, soon Slovenia and the others will follow. And if you don't, no vaxx passport for you anymore.
I also saw shitty tables in our media about "what shot to get in the third round if your first two was X".
>I'm not keen of pushing these pharmaceutical corporations into a another (golden) cyclical cash cow.
yeah I'm sure every single government will be extremely glad to encumber their budget for zero practical return lol; the first time someone says no and nothing happens (I believe UK is going that way; they're running a study before committing to it and I'm sure we know of results) everyone else will follow suit
>sacrifice your economy, freedumbs and lives as we plunge ourselves into an economic depression. Let the pensioners and frail die, I don't give a fug.
hurr durr muh economy, muh freedumbs xDDDDD big line go up, let's spend more on what we don't need so GDP figure is higher xDDD
>don't get vaxx "passport" with getting through covid and gaining natural immunity.
You do. (for some reason only for 6 months for now, tho; it was reasonable in January I guess but I think someone forgot to renew that one)
>they work the same with their spike proteins. So we already have to have some level of immunity.
which is evidently shit tier, both from empirical observation and from in vitro tests on cross reactivity of antibodies
>You gon get boosters.
hurr durr scaremongering
I highly doubt that the ducklings will follow the mother once the UK says no against vaccinating their populace. There's a clear message and its the multibillion dollar contracts fueling this panic to vaccinate the pockets of these corporations and solidify numerous governments ability to restrict their population.
Yes muh economy, muh freedumbs, muh liberties, muh two tiered system of society. I don't want to live in a world where I'm spat upon because I'm unvaccinated. If governments can't collect taxes from already cheap labour, who's going to pay for their vaccines, medical care and dole? Don't be a poof.
>yeah I'm sure every single government will be extremely glad to encumber their budget for zero practical return
There's recession now. Governments pouring money in the economy via spending on the vaxx. (They do other shit too, like raising military spending, that NATO agreement to raise it to 2% is really come in handy now for NATO countries.)
>muh multibillion dollar contracts, muh big corporations controlling the states
No.
The only states that are going to go that way are the states where said corporations are stationed in.
Because in the rest of the world, they have no bargaining power. They can be told to suck it up with no consequences.
Europe wins yet again.
>I don't want to live in a world where I'm spat upon because I'm unvaccinated.
And I want to live in a world where I'm allowed to spit upon you if you're not vaccinated.
Problem?
What if the next pandemic would be actually deadly, but antivaxxers would really put us in danger because their brains are rotting with conspiracy theories and they can't distinguish real danger?
Some of them even go against germ theory. i mean we have microscopes and see germs clearly, yet they deny those exist or something.
>What if the next pandemic would be actually deadly
I beg your pardon, but the current pandemic is deadly at least to some extent and especially for old people and people with a weak immune system. Though of course, it is a relatively low mortality rate, Covid still can have severe consequences for the infected (long-covid).
>but antivaxxers would really put us in danger because their brains are rotting with conspiracy theories and they can't distinguish real danger?
Already happening.
>Germany's top expert has said
Noone cares. WHO said one thing, our top expert said a second, and our government said a third. They're giving the vaccine.
>Don't get fooled by sensationalist headlines. Efficacy going from 95% to 84% doesn't mean it has become useless.
You did not read the pdf I provided. Or at least the abstract.
I have to assume the link neither, although that's about the DNA shot.
It will be hilarious to see what these emotionally functioning and hysteric vaxxers will come up with when the vaccine-resistant strain emerges, will they panic even further? Will they ever look back and go "hmm maybe we were a bit dumb, time to admit our mistakes"?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9924607/Pfizer-CEO-says-vaccine-resistant-strain-COVID-likely-emerge.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailus
t. brings up next bizarre idea what all is in vaccines (what is it now? reduced graphene oxide?)
but don't worry
the vaccinated are gonna start dropping dead any moment now (x8 months)
p.s. no am*rican is my tribe
burgerstani cringe is burgerstani cringe
on other hand your cringe is also burgerstani cringe
I can understand why there's a need to become emotionally invested in their vaccine. Being conditioned by others such as family members, governing bodies, employers or personal concern to do their part as a community is fine, however when we're dividing our community of proles over vaccination status and allowing the government to enforce restrictive movements in hopes of pressuring those into a vaccine is concerning.
Next it'll be no jab, no welfare.
Those babies will implement fascism just to get their sense of safety back, lmao. Funniest part is them freaking about a symptomless version :D Imagine being afraid of a virus that is so weak it has no affect on you
Corrupt medicinal companies out looking profit, incompetent politicans or plain authoritarians seeing their chance and grasping for unquestionable power. Things like this happen all the time in history, unfortunately the sheep do not read history and want to repeat it because of their emotions.
Uuu as a free market capitalist I'm loving this idea of responsible health care. Everyone with diabetes, problems from smoking, alcohol or other bad life style choices should be barred from hospital care, I agree! Let's make it happen! It's finally time for adult people to grow up and stop sucking mother governments titty, it's time to become responsible and take of yourself. You can't go around calling yourself an adult while being afraid of a virus that kills +80yos with pre-existing conditions, how can you let yourself be in such bad shape? Aren't you ashamed?
Even Trump, an overweight old man shook it off in 3days and went back to work. You in worse shape than him?
And where is Astra, Moderna, Novavax, J&J?
Besides being an American regulating branch of the American government of the United States of America, wouldn't you find more comfort if your own medical associations along with the European Union, properly access these companies before pulling the fire alarm to signal others of its safety?
If anything it feels fishy that this company received the go ahead within a few years as opposed to several and can now move forward introducing more mrna related vaccines.
I'm sure the other vaccines will get normal approval soon and I'm also sure the European agencies will follow suit.
As for me personally, it has been clear to me for several months now, that the vaccine represents a lower risk than the infection, so I opted for taking the vaccine and I have not regretted it. Nobody I know has.
If he wanted to understand how covid vaccine trials were sped up and still as good as any other trials, he could find out in a matter of minutes with a google search. There are a bunch of easy to understand articles that summarize it well. But he just wants to cling to this talking point to justify his vague emotional aversion.
additional info:
a big part of standard medical trials is just unnecessary bureaucratic hurdles devised to cull the competition allowing only the massivest pharma who can afford to run a decade of meticulous paperwork before launching a product access to the market
>Everyone with diabetes, problems from smoking, alcohol or other bad life style choices should be barred from hospital care, I agree!
I mean yeah kinda (they should have lower priority) but not as fully as rejecting vaccination (which is basically a rejection of standard treatment already; hospitals should understand that as indication that the person does not want to use medical assistance)
>Even Trump, an overweight old man shook it off in 3days and went back to work. You in worse shape than him?
Well, unlike Trump I am not poised to receive a horse dose of monoclonal antibodies costing $10k the moment I test positive.
What do you mean "thoroughly researched"? The same people who say this shit also start sweating bullets when asked to list the central dogma of biology.
They got approval first because they had the first one working. The others will follow. As someone who has worked with the FDA you place a rather high bar on the congruency of what the Federal government wants vs. what a bitter, overeductaed and underpaid FDA administrator thinks is logical. Moderna is a rather new company with no track record which also has a mRNA vaccine, and Johnson and Johnson is a giant, old company with a presence in many states and a large lobbying arm, so I still don't follow your track of reasoning.
>what these emotionally functioning and hysteric vaxxers will come up with when the vaccine-resistant strain emerges
Check the link here: >>121220
DNA vaccine
>cheap
>easier to produce
>thermally stable
>induces both cell-mediated and humoral immune response
>can also induce strong T cell immunity
>adds 3 cms to your peepee
>grants free beer for the rest of your life
You're a delusional anti-vaxxer who is refusing to get proper vaccinations, despite having no scientific reason to avoid them- you're totally healthy, you just think vaccines cause autism. So, you've come to me, a nutritionist, to help boost your immunity, instead of getting a vaccine! I tell you that there's a secret nutritional treatment I can give you, but only if you let me try a new psychiatric technique on you first- and you agree! I mindfuck you DEEPLY, and tell you that the only way to boost your immune system is by recycling your body's own nutrients- yes, you have to eat your own cum! I punish you for being a stupid anti-vaxxer by mindfucking you into drinking your own cum from now on, EVERY TIME you orgasm! After all, cum is full of zinc, and that boosts human immune function! I even guide you through a whole sexy JOI, teasing you with my hot body and gigantic boobs- but not before I reprogram you into finally believing in vaccines, and make you admit out loud that science is real! You finally promise to get vaccinated, and I allow you to cum, HARD! Finally, through the power of CEI and mesmerism, you've been transformed from a delusional, inconsiderate moron into an upstanding citizen who believes in logic and science. Hooray for happy endings!
Yes I'm sure the larger corporations with vested government contracts will be approved and follow suit of America's new decision. Still worrisome and still challenging that there's even more smaller pharmaceuticals testing their emergency vaccines in third world countries.
I can agree but there's still a necessary field of research needed to document any side effects that will spur any disenfranchised populace into panic as they see a few cases overblown in the media and social media.
Another issue I have is the gag orders pfizer has signed with a few countries to quiet the sound of panic as a few are experiencing adverse reactions and lower any harm that may cause to their brand or vaccination adoption.
Examination of the vaccine under controlled trials (which no doubt have occurred), fully documenting any adverse effects within both genders and if there are issues with drugs.
That's a false comparison, you silly goose. HIV causes immunodeficiency, it's even in the name. And tell me those HIV patients who get covid and die... are they HIV victims or corona? Or should we count as both? Way to raise the surplus death counter...
In the beginning up to few hundred deaths, here they published what other illnesses people suffered. With very little exception they all had multiple lethal conditions. I've some acquaintances (some-few, not a lot) who died of "corona", they all had at least cancer, and one bled to death while transported by the ambulance (you know the typical covid symptom of bleeding to death? no? he is a covid victim), none died on ventilator struggling with pneumonia. Did covid helped any of them? Sure not, infa 100% we could have found some other non-threatening illnesses, injuries and blame that for their demise. It's like blaming on a splinter in the finger of someone's death while mangled by an excavator.
"hurr durr corona is pneumonia"
wrong
even the "pneumonia" is a result of thrombosis fucking up the lung and capillaries bleeding into the alveoli rather than how pneumonias typically develop
your entire non-argument is built on a false assumption that corona is primarily a cold (which it isn't) and thus assuming that anyone who dies of corona-induced heart attack, corona-induced lung failure, or corona-induced kidney failure couldn't've possibly died of corona
https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/flu-complications
>What Are the Most Common Complications?
>They include viral or bacterial pneumonia, dehydration, and ear infections and sinus infections, especially in children. The flu can worsen long-term medical conditions, like congestive heart failure, asthma, or diabetes.
>You might also have muscle inflammation (myositis), problems with your central nervous system, and heart problems such as heart attacks, inflammation of the organ (myocarditis), and inflammation of the sac around it (pericarditis).
Soemwhere sometimes I read it can even cause encephalitis too. Although this list above is the "most common" ones.
Oh no! We're all gonna die!
That really doesn't mean that covid = pneumonia.
I expect more from you.
I don't doubt there's the covid out there, I'm not an anti-vaxxer although I won't go and get one, or two, or three or every half year one in the rest of my life. I'm "anti-psychosis-er", what I really hate it this mass hysteria the media and the politicians induced, and the hypocrisy of the "professionals" who demand respect while they never in their life tried to help people to live a bit healthier, eat a bit less, exercise more, which could have prevented not one early death, because you know what causes heart attacks? Being fuking fat.
>the hypocrisy of the "professionals" who demand respect while they never in their life tried to help people to live a bit healthier, eat a bit less, exercise more, which could have prevented not one early death, because you know what causes heart attacks? Being fuking fat.
damn sounds like you get your info from social media hysterics
if you turned on the TV instead you'd probably hear health experts telling people that "obesity is a major risk factor" and also clamoring that "people haven't been exercising enough, wtf just because bars are closed doesn't mean you shouldn't still go for walks outside, also parents don't exercise their kids enough like schools do, our sports program in schools is top notch"
>This is arguably the most important single piece of epidemiological research of the entire pandemic.
>A MASSIVE randomized trial launched a pro-mask campaign in some Bangladeshi villages, but not others.
>The result: masking villages got less COVID.
https://www.poverty-action.org/sites/default/files/publications/Mask_RCT____Symptomatic_Seropositivity_083121.pdf
https://twitter.com/lymanstoneky/status/1433054044940083204
how can schizos ever recover?
OH NO SOMEONE ACTUALLY GOT SICK AFTER TAKING ALL THE SUPPLEMENTS AND EVERYTHING FOR A YEAR
maybe they didn't eat enough pills ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯
also make sure to vape the horse dewormer for optimal results
also did you know that if you take the horse dewormer after catching the virus you can just go straight back to work?
Its do. India and Japon are tossing ivermectin to their sick and supposedly some African countries as well. They're not having as serious deaths now that they're not scrambling to purchase and distribute vaccines from megacorps pilfering their coffers.
Do you always feel the need to oppose the vaccine because you feel invested in your vaccination and somehow righteous believing alternative therapies are inherently broken?
You have to be tested to know you have diabetes too, yknow?
And it's only your idiotism that you "have to be threatened". Have anyone ever threatened you to get vaccinated? Thought so.
And most of us have begged to get the fucking vaccine already. I was on 4 separate lists before one finally replied.
Your paranoia is not a valid gauge.
sage is for fags, fag.
>Have anyone ever threatened you to get vaccinated?
Government constantly threatens me to get vaccinated. If I keep refusing it they'll block me from using public transportation, entering government buildings etc. What Australians are trying to pass has being applied here for almost two years.
>most of us have begged to get the fucking vaccine already
don care didnt ask plus you're vaxie subhuman. want to take 98 doses of pfizer and be a gigavaxxed? go ahead, take it, i dont care. just don't drag me into your faggot ass psychosis.
"everyone should be vaxxed to end the pandemic" is nothing but a big pharma bullshit. they keep telling this gibberish but we don't see them selling/donating vaccines to africa. they use africa as a "mutation factory" and use idiots like you as a "vaccine market"
wrong. ending this thing is technically impossible
to wipe it out you got to vaccinate everyone quick so virus can't find anyone to infect anymore. even if there were no antivaxxers you still could not be able to vaccinate entire planet in a very short window of time, like a week maybe. there are towns on earth where it takes days to reach, areas controlled by terrorist organizations, failed states that can't handle an operation like this etc etc
plus, like I mentioned above, "surprisingly" nones talking about vaccinating africa.
this quarantine bullshit is pointless. vaccines just provide a protection (which I don't think I need, I'm young and healthy enough to combat this) and nothing else. it won't help ending the pandemic. just vaccinate the elderly and open everything back up because you're not gonna wipe it out with or without quarantine/vaccination.
>plus, like I mentioned above, "surprisingly" nones talking about vaccinating africa.
yeah that's what happens when all you read is tinfoil blogs and occasional mainstream media
you start believing bullshit like this
protip: WHO has been criticising the booster shot scam bc it takes away vaccine doses from africa & EU has pledged several hundred million doses donation to africa
I took (the 1st dose) in evening hours, next morning when I woke up I felt like I'm hangover.
Also had to take afternoon nap the next day.
It's annoying but it's short, and it's convenient (you can plan ahead when you'll be feeling sick) so I'd still rate it as better experience than catching the virus at unknown point in the future and shrugging it off like it's nothing due to being young & healthy.