Its funny how everyone hates on trump while literally nothing changed since Biden is in charge . He is pretty much like Trump but not as open. You always knew how you stood with trump, with biden you have many more things going on in the back.

Wasnt that obvious even before trump got in the office?

Well it wasnt for me, I thought he would take care of the racial problems in the US etc. but instead he just continues Trumps course.

USA has a certain political stance that pretty much can be summed up in keeping the elite in power. Its like that from its foundation.

 

Taking care of the problems would mean elite has to lose power and this is not going to happen with the kind of 'left' or 'right' politics that exist today in USA.

 

And seriously, its kinda unimaginable how people can still fell for Biden after what happened with Obama...I guess less experience.

 

Howard Zinn's people history of the united states comes handy as a book as well as manufacturing consent by chomsky.

I would like to add that if China is not a paper tiger, then USA will at some point have to fix its shit if elites want to survive. A sputnik moment is required that may already have happened or will happen soon...

Tbh. Im pretty sure a world war 3 is in the making. China takes more and more control of geopolitics. Buying Ports and land all over the world. Its really just a matter of time until it goes hot. China is acting more aggressive by the day. i really thought we were beyond all that now and the geopolitics were clear now, but now they wanna take the crown...

What if China becomes the next Nazi Germany and first invades India, Bangladesh, Nepal and some -stans but then gets fucked by the rest of the world?

Maybe people will stop hating on Germany ,_,

 

 

Anyway I don't believe in a ww3 happening like all the wars ~100 years ago. Before one of the big countries loses they'd probably rather press the nuclear nuke button and make everyone lose.

I know exactly what you mean but lets not call it world war 3. I prefer to call it cold war 2.0. That is the making like for ever but as far as I understand 2008 crisis sped things up.

 

John Pilgers docu is highly interesting to me at least.

 

I dont think that China is acting more aggresively per se. For now I guess they are reasserting their power at home and probably acting as equals to USA and nothing more. As for their investments everywhere and the whole rhetoric about countries losing infrastructure to debt, isnt that the same for USA or EU? Africa is paying again and again their debt for decades now and for example Greece is selling for pennies the whole infrastructure mostly to Germany.

 

In any case, geopolitics is back baby.

I dont think China has the means to sustain todays war beyond their borders for more than a month or something. And the moment they do even the sligtly small expansion step they are fucked politically. And I think they have their own internal problems to solve first.

 

As for wars, WW1 was also unthinkable because chemical weapons and flying machines throwing bombs on civilian cities already existed. What makes me afraid is how cheap war is becoming now with drones. When war is becoming very cheap calculations might point that it is profitable to do war and all hell breaks lose.

If someone presses the button it will be the west. China has more then a billion people and has the production capability to set up a massive army. They already have a massive army but they have by far the biggest military capability of all nations on this planet right now. If they want to overrun us they can by sheer numbers, especially if they team up with the russians. I dont think there is any European nation that has an allround army, every nation has some military formations but noone could fend a real front war.

ppl were saying there's no way there could be a conventional war today anymore – but 2020 the Karabakh War proved that wrong. We'll see.

I'm actually wondering.

What if nukes are way overblown in popular imagination, and only an actual nuclear strike again will blow this delusion away? What happens then?

Consider the following: Hiroshima and Nagasaki were basically built of cardboard. Japs didn't have sturdy buildings then.

But – among the buildings that were not much impacted, were the few that were built of more than just cardboard: the churches. The Jesuits who were in the church at the time of bombing survived unscathed. Christians will claim this to be a "miracle", but everyone who knows some basic nuclear physics understands that a couple 10cm of rock will block most of radiation, so if the structure can survive the blast it will also shield everyone inside.

Dropping the bomb on a major European city would level the blast zone – but destruction and death would be much less widespread than it was on Japan.

Stop scaring me Bernds, you make me want to run away to Siberia.

Sames

The bombs they used at hiroshima and Nagasaki were tiny compared to todays standard nukes. The american B61 has a equivalent of 400KT of TNT. The W88 nuclear warhead used on Trident II Missiles has a equivalent of nearly 500KT. If these Nukes hit the center of a city its game over.

aren't you russian?

give me a visa when china starts sperging okay?

Im sorry Bernds but we all have to accept that the future might be quite uncozy.

The bombs that are ready for deployment are way worse than nagasaki and can glasify whole cities. Nagasaki and Hirosima will be peanuts compared.

 

 

In fact today populations are way way more dense than before especially in cities. I think you are really incorrect.

The future will be quite uncozy even without nuclear wars tbqh. Global warming by itself will limit what we can do and create many instabilities.

 

Welcome to the 21st century.

I doubt it will be safe in Siberia too, my bet is some tiny island or maybe NZ will be the safest place. If they manage to stay above sea level.

I think humanity can manage global warming easily but unfortunately our rulers are low iq retards.

If we all stick together yeah sure. But right now all the countries that were left behind the last 100 years want to catch up and have the same luxuries and oportunities we had.

Carpe diem.

Unfortunately our rulers are this humanity too...From a point of view of technology and resources we can manage. We had most of technology already ready. From the point of view of politics its another story indeed.

Questionable according to Alex Jones xD

Fat Man was 21kT. Little Boy was 15kT. Shockwave power goes down with square of radius, so blast radius goes as sqrt of blast yield. A nuke with 20 times as much blast yield will level down "only" sqrt(20)~4.5x as far away from ground zero.

The church that survived bombing in Hiroshima was "8 blocks away" – can't find how far away that was exactly, but doesn't look like it could be much more than about 1km.

If you've built brutalist architecture, your city is basically nuke-proof.

 

its verily dont

historic city centres, where little renovation was done since end of 19th century, are usually the densest parts of european cities

Your buildings might survive the blast but you wont since air pressure and heat alone will kill you.

Goes down with square of radius.

Goes down with square of radius.

 

It all scales with the same scaling factor.

And since we have a datapoint on how closely a sturdy building can shield you from the blast – we can extrapolate from that.

Any nuke will still completly wreck any city. Even if really sturdy stone buildings might survive the first blast, the wooden roofs will catch fire, and sky scrapers will collapse. the heat will set anything flamable in fire. There will be tens or even hundred of thousands of injured and dead people and noone is able to help. The sheer number of injured is to much to handle for anyone. And there are the really nice things like radiation.

Yeah and there are usually dozens of warheads iside single ICBM which can very well even wreck the entire region.

Yeah, keep believing those fairytales. They help us keep peace.

Meanwhile, I will consult the offhand calculations and refuse to launch nukes so your bubble doesn't burst.

Problem with nuclear holocaust is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_winter

Which was hypothesized using math. Give it a read.

Yeah, I know.

The fun part is that this is caused not by nukes, but by fires triggered by those nukes.

You'd attain the exact same result by enough napalm. Or by burning down the entire agricultural production of China.

 

Here's an interesting paper to read up on which is a simulation of India and Pakistan throwing their entire nuclear arsenal on each other btw:

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/5/10/eaay5478

 

And in fact... a theory is that Gutian invasion, burning down entire Mesopotamia and ending Sumerians, triggered the 4.2-kiloyear event...

https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation.aspx?paperid=94988

eh, you didn't read it yourself?

it was largely debunked, not to mention it was based basically on nothing

Well you know then.

I have a feeling that modern narrative is going on path of brainwashing us to look at nuclear war as something that we can survive and maybe even benefit from.

Which is mad as fuck to be honest.

 

Bro the fact it was critisized doesnt mean it was debunked. Schizos critisize everything nowadays, i.e. flat earthers.

Saying it was based on nothing while in fact it was based on largest and most sophisticated climate models doesn't make any sense.

Also you know it was actually a massive trigger to start Nuclear disarmament.

It doesn't fix a problem if you choose to think it is a fairytale.

I was pretty disgusted Biden lost his cool after the end of his press conference following the wrap up of hus meeting with Putin. The female reporter may have pushed his buttons and emasculated him slightly with a last minute question wedged into his shuffle off the stage.

If he could have simply kept his mouth shut and continued thinking about his beloved prunes without pointing to the woman and exclaiming she's ignorant to be in this business and should find another profession.

The real double standard would be if Trump had done the same, and has with women who were non-white, he would have been the headline news for roughly a week, with back to back criticism. This event will show the pedantic hypocrisy dedicated to an apprehensive, feeble old man with dementia.

I don't think America has what it takes to spank Russia if its commander is telling people at the press conference about Putin flattering him with quotes about his mother, brother and then deflecting a comment about whether he trusts them, and replies that it isn't about trust.

 

Dog help us.

Look, I'm the one who did calculations and estimations and arrived at conclusions supported by physics.

You're the one who chooses to believe fear-mongering narratives about uniquely destructive power of nuclear weapons, that has never been observed.

 

It should be clear whom is the sane one here.

 

Yeah, and its clearly not you.

Why not look at official reports then?

Note that reinforced concrete buildings survived the only bombings on evidence, Hiroshima and Nagasaki:

http://www.nasonline.org/about-nas/history/archives/collections/organized-collections/atomic-bomb-casualty-commission-series/abccrpt_pt3app9ch3.pdf

 

Glass-and-steel wouldn't fare nearly as well as béton brut, though. eact > wect against

Of course you are a retard arguing just for whatever reason and I shouldnt give you any more attention but hey, lets see what do they say.

 

https://ij-healthgeographics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1476-072X-6-5

 

What do you think?

Lets see what a 20kt would do also

I think your tables are based on nuclearphobic doomsday fantasies, and not factual physics.

 

Edit: I tried ctrl-F'ing the paper and not once was the word "concrete" used. Clearly, it didn't model cities to have buildings at all. Just bare hoomies exposed to full radiation.

Because every single fucking house in any given city is made out of reinforced military grade concrete. Dude, get real.

Observations from 1945:

Almost. No. Damage. Concrete in general. Not "reinforced military grade bunker certified concrete".

And it was a fucking 10kt bomb, if you have bad luck a bomb 100 times that force will explode over your fucking town.

 

YOU WILL DIE

 

Just because a fucking conrete building might survive the blast doesnt mean you do. Many Such buildings have simple glass fronts, the blast and heat will go right through and kill anyone that is inside. Jesus christ.

Only means I will need to be 10x as far away from ground zero to be equally safe. Simple as!

Nuclear bombs are healthy in moderation