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FinlandBernd2021-03-23 11:09:33 · 5yNo. 112529reply
Thinking about the Eternalist concept of time hurts my soul.
 
What if the "present" is only a mirage - there is only a fixed timeline extending from the Big Bang to the end of time.
 
Every moment exists simultaneously, forever - each one thinking it is the present moment, in which the arrow of time is currently traveling. Yet there is really no such thing as the arrow of time, for every moment is perfectly still where it is and has been since the beginning.
GermanyBernd2021-03-23 13:59:22 · 5yNo. 112532reply
Yet the concious identifies itself as unique and constant throughout every moment.
So it seems the arrow of time drags the soul of a being with it through the moments it visits.
And should the arrow of time not exist, who is to deny that it is conciousness itself which navigates through an infinite sea of moments
SpainBernd2021-03-23 15:04:01 · 5yNo. 112543reply
FinlandBernd2021-03-23 15:16:46 · 5yNo. 112544reply
>And should the arrow of time not exist, who is to deny that it is conciousness itself which navigates through an infinite sea of moments
 
But that would mean the same thing. Thing is precisely that according to mainstream modern day physics, there isn't any moment that consciousness is currently traveling through.
 
Instead, there are moments that are fixed in place in spacetime and in each of those moments there are conscious beings that think they are living in "now" but they're not.
 
The Bernd of tomorrow is already there, thinking he is today's Bernd who got there as the "present moment" moved onwards by one day from where he thinks he was yesterday - but it's don't. Both versions of Bernd have always been where they are and always will be, for the passage of time as we experience it, as the present moment moving towards the future, is an illusion.
 
In reality, there is no passage of time at all, since all of time exists simultaneously.
 
It is such an intangible idea that it is difficult to articulate these thoughts clearly but the terror is real.
FinlandBernd2021-03-23 17:21:47 · 5yNo. 112553reply
To think that this horrible idea is our best scientific take on how reality is
 
There MUST be some flaw in the science
 
It MUST not be true
GermanyBernd2021-03-23 17:54:46 · 5yNo. 112554reply
Still here I am, identifying with the bernd I am today, and tomorrow I will identify with the bernd of tomorrow. Surely I cant prove I will be the bernd of tomorrow, nor can I prove I was ever the bernd of yesterday, yet I do not see reason for terror to arise, as with each keystroke I feel as though moments are slipping through my fingers at a rapid pace.
 
One consequence I see from the scenario you are describing is determinism.
Another that perception doesnt reflect reality.
This is a why worry for me, as I am content living in my perception of reality, and not reality itself.
 
Would you tell me what inspires such fear in you?
FinlandBernd2021-03-23 19:29:37 · 5yNo. 112559reply
>Surely I cant prove I will be the bernd of tomorrow
No you won't, since the passage of time, the present moment moving from one instant to the next, is an illusion. Tomorrow's Bernd is already there, looking back at today and wrongly believing he arrived there along with the present moment moving from today to tomorrow, as our intuitive conception of time tells us.
 
>One consequence I see from the scenario you are describing is determinism.
Yes!
>Another that perception doesnt reflect reality.
True also
>I am content living in my perception of reality, and not reality itself.
But I am don't! I must know that my berception is grounded in truth for it to matter
 
>Would you tell me what inspires such fear in you?
Firstly, if Eternalism is true, then the past is never gone. If there is a present moment that is moving through time, leaving the past behind so that it vanishes into non-existence, all the evil and horror in my life and in the world in general is gone once it passes. But if Eternalism is true, as science appear to say, then the past is just as real as the present and all the horrible thoughts and habbenings are still real, living reality and always will be.
 
Secondly, for many years I have thought that if the universe ultimately ends with the Big Rip scenario, which would result in a timeless universe, I have figured that it would cancel all of time and everything that has ever happened, undoing all the evil of this world. This idea is very dear and important to me.
 
But if there is no universal present moment (as our intuitive time concept would have us believe) traveling towards the Big Rip, reaching it eventually, then that just means that time spans from the Big Bang to the Big Rip (from what I have read it's perhaps 40-120 billion years altogether, but that is irrelevant here), but the scenario itself is never going to be realized, and time is never going to be cancelled the way I used to think it would be. This is not good enough for me because I want everything to be wiped away as if it never existed. For many years it was such a comforting belief that it would eventually happen and make everything right. But it's don't.
United StatesBernd2021-03-23 20:57:28 · 5yNo. 112563reply
The only thing that’s real is my subjective experience
Everything i feel is a construction I made up
FinlandBernd2021-03-24 12:27:15 · 5yNo. 112602reply
What if the torments of the past last forever
 
and ever and ever and ev
GermanyBernd2021-03-24 12:45:18 · 5yNo. 112603reply
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