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United StatesBernd2021-01-03 19:35:32 · 5yNo. 105977reply
Today I learned this alcoholic retard blew off two of his fingers with a grenade
CaliforniaBernd2021-01-03 21:00:01 · 5yNo. 105978reply
He was plastered an awful lot. I'm not surprised. I liked him tho.
RussiaBernd2021-01-03 21:38:01 · 5yNo. 105979reply
He wasn’t a retard
United StatesBernd2021-01-03 21:45:45 · 5yNo. 105981reply
He absolutely was. Destroyed your country before it could even begin
RussiaBernd2021-01-03 22:00:18 · 5yNo. 105989reply
Nah, he didn’t destroy anything, a much larger role was played by low oil and gas prices, and the restructuring of the economy from a planned to a capitalist one(which went pretty well). His great advantage was that he really wanted to build a liberal democracy on the Western model, and not just power tripping like Putin. The economy recovered and went up under him immediately after the default, Putin did not have to do anything at all, he came to everything ready, and this marked the beginning of the era of silogarchy. BTW he didn’t kill any of his opponents or journalists as Putin did.
United StatesBernd2021-01-03 22:04:38 · 5yNo. 105990reply
>which went pretty well
Nigger there was lawlessness, regular murders on the streets, mass poverty, and literally every sale of state assets was rigged.
RussiaBernd2021-01-03 22:09:04 · 5yNo. 105991reply
picture says: oil prices adjusted for inflation
1. Brezhnev's well-fed time, developed socialism
2. «Judas Gorbachev destroying the USSR»
3. «Yeltsin's awful lawlessness»
4. «Putin plows like a galley slave»
United StatesBernd2021-01-03 22:13:44 · 5yNo. 105992reply
With that I understand that the image is trying to say that all of those could be chalked down to oil prices but you only have to look at poutine to see that booming oil doesn't mean development. You do realize that if Yeltsin wasn't incompetent it would have been possible to have all of Russia relatively prosperous, from Petersburg to Chelyabinsk to Vladivostok. Instead you have a gilded Moscow and that's all. Even that was down to pretty much only Luzhkov -- he was corrupt but at least he developed the city
RussiaBernd2021-01-03 22:16:02 · 5yNo. 105993reply
I mean that the economy really became capitalist and most of the large enterprises that now make up the economy were formed.
>lawlessness
The reason for this was the poverty, not something in Yeltsin's behavior. And do not tell me I lived at this time in the most criminal city in Russia(which is still remains so)
United StatesBernd2021-01-03 22:18:59 · 5yNo. 105994reply
They were formed poorly. Had they actually been developed by a leader (which Yeltsin could have done!) Then you likely wouldn't have had the whirlwind and extreme poverty (which goes hand in hand with crime).
 
I think that you could try to make the broader case that Russians, as a society, are lazy and unambitious and that allowed for the situation to unfold as it has, but when the leader was a drunk who allowed 10 jewish bankers to plunder the industry, I cannot buy that argument.
United StatesBernd2021-01-03 22:22:44 · 5yNo. 105997reply
To put it in simplest terms, borya didn't build any meaningful institutions when he easily could have, and the lack of institutions allowed the seedier parts of human nature to thrive and ruin what was the opportunity of a lifetime for a nation
Republic of MoldovaBernd2021-01-03 22:26:22 · 5yNo. 105998reply
Those are speculations. Majority of Russians support Putin mainly because they are afraid of another Yeltsin. Yeltsin was incompetent drunktard together with gaydar.
Republic of MoldovaBernd2021-01-03 22:28:17 · 5yNo. 105999reply
>restructuring of the economy from a planned to a capitalist one(which went pretty well)
This is bullshit btw. If you want to know how to restructure economy take a look of china.
For wecterns, if you want to know the yeltsin capitalism then read dunno on the moon.
Republic of MoldovaBernd2021-01-03 22:33:43 · 5yNo. 106000reply
True, yeltsin was incompetent alcoholic. And a lot of infrastructure was destroyed or stollen by current oligarchs in charge. Common folk became poor and a lot of people died of hunger and Russia was largely depopulated and crime was on the rise. It was wild capitalism which destroyed and managed many human lives. The leftovers of those times you can find on brighton beach in new york.
RussiaBernd2021-01-03 22:39:43 · 5yNo. 106001reply
I believe that business should grow by itself, and not be cultivated by the central government. China is an example. Giants like Huawei were once small artisanal workshops that sought their own niche in the market. My parents also opened a similar workshop, and on its example I could observe the formation of business in Russia. If in the 90s it was possible to take on anything and get competitive products, then starting from 00 the situation began to change, and production competing with imported goods ceased to be something realistic. The company switched to the production of non-portable items, and since then, new productions have ceased to arise. And this is against the backdrop of incredibly high oil prices, the profits from which went to the record-breaking rapid emergence of new billionaires belonging to Putin's circle.
RussiaBernd2021-01-03 22:48:17 · 5yNo. 106002reply
I do not deny anything said in the thread, I just say that Yeltsin is not so unequivocally bad, especially for such a difficult time(the era of change), and compared to Putin, he is a plain genius
United StatesBernd2021-01-03 22:53:45 · 5yNo. 106003reply
This exact mindset is why Russia is so fascinating to me
I think I understand where you're coming from, but the decline that you've experienced in Russia is also the fault of Yeltsin even if much of it happened during (and especially after) peak oil in the first decade of this century. If there were more incentives and stable institutions (which as Moldova has mentioned is something that has taken place in China) then the environment for adaptation could have allowed Russians to flourish.
Which city are you from btw?
Republic of MoldovaBernd2021-01-03 23:00:08 · 5yNo. 106004reply
Putin basically recovered the mess yeltsin and his mob has done in the nineties. It is after 2010 when Russia went on the road of decline. Yeltisn basically pawed the road to Putins eternal rule.
 
It is just that nobody cares about welfare of common Russian and the life is cheap which saddens me. It was a great superpower and became a laughing stock with a clown as a president.
Republic of MoldovaBernd2021-01-03 23:08:32 · 5yNo. 106005reply
The government basically threw millions of people on the street. When there was a privatisation of deutche telekom in Germany, they rented a stadium where people were explained how stock works.
 
In Russia people were given vouchers without any idea what it is all about and those vouchers they sold for pennies to current oligarchs who made their fortune on that. It was grand robbery and a time of chaos.
 
People were introduced to something they did not know any idea about and how it works. They basically were thrown in to the water without knowledge how to swim.
United StatesBernd2021-01-03 23:13:40 · 5yNo. 106006reply
>When there was a privatisation of deutche telekom in Germany, they rented a stadium where people were explained how stock works.
 
Interdasting, really?
Republic of MoldovaBernd2021-01-03 23:14:56 · 5yNo. 106007reply
Here is a documentary about homeless children when comes to mind when I think about yeltsin legacy.
 
 
 
In my uni in Austria professors keep talking about that but I need to find more details regarding this event. I will post it here if find.
United StatesBernd2021-01-03 23:17:26 · 5yNo. 106008reply
I will watch this, t.hanks
 
Any other documentaries you can recommend on the period?
I find it odd that in the early 00s there were quite a few books written about yeltsin's Russia but almost nothing since
Republic of MoldovaBernd2021-01-03 23:20:36 · 5yNo. 106009reply
I forgot many. If you want other approach you can watch Putin witness documentary. I don't share the view of the author but it has some exclusive footage of some old Putin and Yeltsin interviews.
RussiaBernd2021-01-03 23:39:50 · 5yNo. 106010reply
>Which city are you from btw?
From Chelyabinsk
>they rented a stadium where people were explained how stock works.
>In Russia people were given vouchers without any idea what it is all about
I must admit this is very very true. A little education in this matter could change a lot
RussiaBernd2021-01-03 23:59:19 · 5yNo. 106011reply
Speaking of documentaries
I'll just leave it here
RussiaBernd2021-01-04 00:09:12 · 5yNo. 106012reply
United StatesBernd2021-01-04 00:12:03 · 5yNo. 106013reply
Ackshully, if I recall correctly, I believe I read something that said most Russians were aware of how the vouchers worked, what dividends were, etc. but that the social situation was such that most Russians couldn't really afford to worry about the future so much.
Though this seems a bit naive perhaps. It was probably the latter coupled with many misunderstanding given that they were traded for vodka
>Tfw to retarded too speak Russian
RussiaBernd2021-01-04 00:26:13 · 5yNo. 106014reply
>Tfw to retarded too speak Russian
So it’s not subtitled? I though it is. Unfortunately it looks like it's not translated into English
United StatesBernd2021-01-04 00:30:25 · 5yNo. 106015reply
No subs available for me
Republic of MoldovaBernd2021-01-04 13:15:23 · 5yNo. 106017reply
Financial literacy among Russians was low and I don't think it is any better now. Some local comedians even made jokes about it that they were introduced such system that even experts have no idea how it works.
 
Unfortunately no English subs.
 
Here is my rough translation from of fragment from 2:25
>Not a problem that without explanation. Go to the market at 8 in the morning. Not a problem that everybody doesn't understand anything. That's okay. Go to the market and trade everything. Common man thinks: what is that? what is market? where to go? what to trade? where to buy? where to stand? what is allowed and what is not? Stocks, investments, nobody understands anything!
>So that professionals who don't understand this better than others can not explain and keep quiet.
RussiaBernd2021-01-05 07:10:09 · 5yNo. 106032reply
Even Americans understand, shame to the capitalist pigs who dare to claim he wasn't an retard, a tyrant and a major son of a bitch overall.
RussiaBernd2021-01-05 10:54:57 · 5yNo. 106038reply
This is only a value judgment, there is nothing to understand. It is a matter of believing, not understanding.
RussiaBernd2021-01-05 13:29:48 · 5yNo. 106039reply
You couldn't have done better in his place
United StatesBernd2021-01-05 16:38:25 · 5yNo. 106044reply
I managed to speak to David Hoffman and he was kind enough to share his bookshelf that covers the Yeltsin years with me
United StatesBernd2021-01-08 15:27:43 · 5yNo. 106241reply
They have vouchers on sale online. Cost $100 but I figured it'd be worth it to own a piece of history
United StatesBernd2021-01-22 01:33:54 · 5yNo. 107857reply
Loog what came in mail heute
Saint PetersburgBernd2021-01-22 15:54:20 · 5yNo. 107872reply
Planning to sell it in 50 years as an antique?
United StatesBernd2021-01-23 00:40:35 · 5yNo. 107911reply
Nope. I just want to keep it. Have a bit of a Memento. It will allow me to think about a time where people had so much promise and opportunity
RussiaBernd2021-01-23 12:07:32 · 5yNo. 107937reply
>and opportunity
How so? If I remember correctly, these obligations were the sign of collapse of economical system. And if there were some opportunity, it came years later.
RussiaBernd2021-01-23 23:30:55 · 5yNo. 107988reply
They had none, 78% of the people voted in favour of preserving the Soviet Union. FUCK YOU YOU AMERICAN NIGGER TRASH KKK NIGGER FASCIST LIBERAL FAGGOT.
 
USSR -- SO COOL ! ! !
 
WILL BE BACK SOON.
United StatesBernd2021-01-24 00:04:12 · 5yNo. 107993reply
Wasn’t anti-racism an official policy of the Soviet Union? There were a bunch of foreign students from post-colonial Africa studying there, no
United StatesBernd2021-01-24 00:08:36 · 5yNo. 107994reply
No, because of the way they were mishandled and so forth, they in a way lead to collapse. However, had they been implemented correctly, it could have been brilliant for the entire country.
 
t. Realizes that I am sounding like the 'real communism hasn't been tried' people
AustriaBernd2021-01-24 00:12:13 · 5yNo. 107995reply
I also think USSR was better. At least Moldova was better off in USSR. If I lived in USSR I would not have to move to Vienna, I would have jerb, apartment and maybe already a gf. I would have a simpler life without worries. But capitalism and poverty spoiled me and made me greedy and having unquenchable thirsts for more. My life is a constant struggle.
AustriaBernd2021-01-24 00:13:59 · 5yNo. 107996reply
>t. Realizes that I am sounding like the 'real communism hasn't been tried' people
And it is true. Communism was never tried. Soviet Union was socialist dictatorship. Communism is socialist anarchy.
RussiaBernd2021-01-24 09:28:41 · 5yNo. 108006reply
Nah, I though you were talking about real feeling of opportunity by real people living there at the time, but you're talking about something unreal and only possible in someone's mind, 'cause actual real life went in other direction.
Anyway, I was living at those days and all I remember about these obligations was that people were disappointed and didn't really want them. Can't recall anybody who felt opportunity at least before '95-97.
RussiaBernd2021-01-24 21:39:17 · 5yNo. 108050reply
Jesus all those wectern retards taking Putin for a real politican LMOA
AustriaBernd2021-01-24 23:06:53 · 5yNo. 108061reply
He is typical politician.
Also Yeltsin was shit SHIT!
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