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United StatesNew years EveBernd2020-12-27 23:41:50 · 5yNo. 105598reply
What will you be doing for New Years Eve?
TurkeyBernd2020-12-27 23:51:18 · 5yNo. 105600reply
Drinking champagne and watching Putins speech at home.
 
You?
United StatesBernd2020-12-27 23:55:40 · 5yNo. 105602reply
Why not out banging chicks?
 
I'll be shitposting probably
TurkeyBernd2020-12-27 23:58:52 · 5yNo. 105603reply
Going out on xmas eve is bydlo/teenager tier. I have my chicks with me at home.
United StatesBernd2020-12-28 00:00:27 · 5yNo. 105604reply
Are you oliarch?
TurkeyBernd2020-12-28 00:01:21 · 5yNo. 105605reply
Ofc not, I'd be on yacht otherwise or some shit like that.
United StatesBernd2020-12-28 00:03:02 · 5yNo. 105606reply
When did you first learn to program?
TurkeyBernd2020-12-28 00:07:59 · 5yNo. 105608reply
My dad introduced me to computer at age of 8 so I was hooked right away, then I started making money and now it's a profession.
GermanyBernd2020-12-28 00:17:23 · 5yNo. 105610reply
>Drinking champagne
>not Oligarch
TurkeyBernd2020-12-28 00:20:58 · 5yNo. 105612reply
Russian champagne is piss cheap, but I guess I have to drink French one since I'm outside Russia, or maybe German one? Can you recommend? I'm not a vino pro.
United StatesBernd2020-12-28 00:22:47 · 5yNo. 105613reply
Are you ever going back?
GermanyBernd2020-12-28 00:25:05 · 5yNo. 105615reply
>Russian champagne is piss cheap
Since when?
 
Rotkäppchen Sparkling wine
United StatesBernd2020-12-28 00:26:48 · 5yNo. 105616reply
I like schmidt soehne kabinett riesling
TurkeyBernd2020-12-28 00:28:02 · 5yNo. 105617reply
Well I think so, there is no place like home and it's weird to live in a place when everyone speaks a language you can't understand.
But the nature and weather is good the only downside it never snows here so Christmas spirit is completely ruined.
 
Since forever
https://simplewine.ru/catalog/shampanskoe_i_igristoe_vino/filter/country-rossiya/
Avg price is below 1k rub which is 11 euro
GermanyBernd2020-12-28 00:31:19 · 5yNo. 105618reply
I know only Rotkäppchen tbh also support east germany pls.
 
>Since forever
How old are you tovarish?
TurkeyBernd2020-12-28 00:42:03 · 5yNo. 105619reply
>How old are you tovarish?
I'm 30, my wild guess is champagne was maybe good in USSR im a sovietboo, dont bash me for it because literally everything that comes after it is fucking shit.
Russia can not produce any decent product period.
Because our idiots oligarchs only cared about destroying soviet economy in 90's making shopping malls out of factory buildings and now they only care about selling raw natural resources.
You remember they banned European cheese and guess what, after years of monopoly Russia still cant produce decent cheese. A fucking cheese.
And this country was a superpower once.
United StatesBernd2020-12-28 00:43:29 · 5yNo. 105620reply
I support Dynamo Dresden so I'm pretty much 1488% east German
Can we have assburger srs discussion about how the fall started with brezhnev and how his lack of accountability allowed mob rule to take hold?
GermanyBernd2020-12-28 00:46:29 · 5yNo. 105622reply
My father said the brezhnev time was the best at least at the begining.
United StatesBernd2020-12-28 00:50:07 · 5yNo. 105623reply
United StatesBernd2020-12-28 00:51:09 · 5yNo. 105624reply
And did your dad know any stasi?
GermanyBernd2020-12-28 00:54:12 · 5yNo. 105625reply
A Russian would say no, a german would say yes.
 
no, we are from siberian.
TurkeyBernd2020-12-28 00:58:09 · 5yNo. 105626reply
>Can we have assburger srs discussion about how the fall started with brezhnev and how his lack of accountability allowed mob rule to take hold?
Well maybe, I need a mood for that kind of discussion, but the fall takes roots way before Brezhnev, I'd say from Khruchev who was absolutely ignorant about Marxism-Leninism teaching and theory overall.
Brezhnev actually was a really good guy, hero of war, he was just forced to rule for so long by various forces and one of his mistakes was being too soft with so called "social-democrats'".
Anyway actually Brezhnev era is considered a peak of USSR by many historians.
United StatesBernd2020-12-28 00:58:33 · 5yNo. 105627reply
Why would a Russian say no?
When did you move?
GermanyBernd2020-12-28 01:04:32 · 5yNo. 105629reply
Well most Germans lived in german comunitys and keept German Ordung.
1995
United StatesBernd2020-12-28 01:04:59 · 5yNo. 105630reply
In which areas specifically was khrushchev ignorant? What was the biggest policy enacted that showed this ignorance?
And what are your thoughts on Gorbachev?
United StatesBernd2020-12-28 01:06:13 · 5yNo. 105631reply
Did you move because of violence in the 90s?
GermanyBernd2020-12-28 01:09:49 · 5yNo. 105632reply
Yes, and because Germany is rich.
United StatesBernd2020-12-28 01:11:18 · 5yNo. 105633reply
FinlandBernd2020-12-28 01:13:59 · 5yNo. 105634reply
 
>You remember they banned European cheese and guess what, after years of monopoly Russia still cant produce decent cheese. A fucking cheese.
And this country was a superpower once.
 
Russians smuggling cheese over the border here is both sad and hilarious
United StatesBernd2020-12-28 01:15:12 · 5yNo. 105635reply
TurkeyBernd2020-12-28 01:15:18 · 5yNo. 105636reply
Many of them. Most of his reforms was a disaster.
It seems like he understood theory in a way a guy who only read wikipedia article would compared to someone who actually reads real books.
His whole Virgin Lands campaign turned out to be a disaster
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Lands_campaign
Altho he was warned multiple times of how bad this idea is.
His retarded reforms of constraining individual property of people, for instance he enforced a constraint on size of houses and cottages people can build because of his misunderstanding of theory and it one of many dumb reforms he passed.
The way he started demonizing Stalin which later was a train all counter-revolution forces hopped on, and still this shit is going on every day on HBO, and in Russian media, they still keep bashing Stalin. But Kruchev was the one who started it.
But to be fair he has some great achievement too one of which being ICBMs on Cuba which scared shit out of US politicians and forced them to actually start resolving issues diplomatically.
But I think he did more bad then good.
TurkeyBernd2020-12-28 01:17:24 · 5yNo. 105637reply
Dats actually weird cause we did not ban Swiss cheese, why smuggle Finnish one?
Is it better?
Also I see Valio products in Russia quite often maybe they lifted that ban? Or maybe that's not cheese products.
United StatesBernd2020-12-28 01:19:38 · 5yNo. 105638reply
David Remnick had an interesting theory that the last nail in the Soviet coffin was the 'freeing' of history which lead to things you described
FinlandBernd2020-12-28 01:22:06 · 5yNo. 105639reply
 
I guess Finnish cheese is not anything special, but it is actual cheese, while the quality on dairy products in Russia is so low the demand for real products through Finland is high.
I don't know if they are doing it anymore, or if Finland/Valio has made some special deals with Russia, which is possible
TurkeyBernd2020-12-28 01:22:46 · 5yNo. 105640reply
Gorbachev probably killed more Russians and ex-Soviet people then Germany did in WW2.
Because god knows how many people died in 90s.
His reforms lead to empty stores and disaster in economy.
He was weak naive and incompetent.
292million people trusted him and he failed.
He is probably the biggest traitor known to human history.
United StatesBernd2020-12-28 01:25:54 · 5yNo. 105641reply
Yeltsin was orders of magnitude worse than gorbachev and there is no doubting that. I understand that Gorbachev is the reason yeltsin came to power but that idiot decided to drink vodka all day and let a few bankers destroy the lives of all regular Russians that is felt to this day.
TurkeyBernd2020-12-28 01:41:13 · 5yNo. 105642reply
Thing is It's all the same people pulling strings behind Gorbachev and later Yeltsin and now Putin, it's still same people pulling strings to this day.
Gorbachev could prevent coup d'état at it's birth, he was aware of everything and he consciously decided not to.
 
There was this guy Aleksandr Yakovlev(a buddy of Gorbachev) Can't remember exactly maybe it was the other guy but nevertheless who forged a plan on accomplishing counter-revolution.
Plan was simple and as we can see it worked. And he is proud of it.
First you discredit Stalin, then you discredit Lenin and then you discredit theory itself.
Since Khruchev already started the first stage it was even simpler to accomplish.
United StatesBernd2020-12-28 01:47:20 · 5yNo. 105643reply
Do you mean Yavlinsky? In the last post I was gonna say that I wished his 500 day plan would have been implemented. He also wrote a book about the financial crisis in 2008 that has a really interesting theory behind it. It's on my to-read list.
 
And it's not exactly the same people but the same type of people. The original oligarchs are dead or in exile. Khordokovsky has such an interesting story, but I still am skeptical of his angle. I can't help but think his cries for democracy has nefarious motives. Look what he did to people in the 90s.
TurkeyBernd2020-12-28 01:55:17 · 5yNo. 105644reply
No not Yavlinsky, that guy was older, I have to look it up. I think Yavlinsky was never even really relevant.
 
>And it's not exactly the same people but the same type of people
Most powerful of them are still there, others are thrown out (Khorokovsky , Beruzovsky and etc.) by "free market competition".
 
Yeah Khorokovsky a person who was issuing contract killing left and right now teaching us how to into democracy is hilarious.
SwedenBernd2020-12-28 01:57:43 · 5yNo. 105645reply
idk eat or sum
United StatesBernd2020-12-28 02:07:27 · 5yNo. 105646reply
Grigory Alexeyevich Yavlinsky (Russian: Григо́рий Алексе́евич Явли́нский; born 10 April 1952) is a Russian economist and politician.
 
 
He is best known as the author of the 500 Days Programme, a plan for the transition of the Soviet regime to a free-market economy, and for his leadership of the social-liberal Yabloko party.
 
I think it's Yavlinsky bro
 
And forgive my ignorance but who is still a major oligarch that was also a major player in the yeltsin era? Abramovic, Potanin, Aven & fridman are the only ones that come to mind. I don't think chubais has influence anymore in terms of politics
EcuadorBernd2020-12-28 02:20:04 · 5yNo. 105647reply
I'll probably spend all day making dessert.
TurkeyBernd2020-12-28 02:26:37 · 5yNo. 105649reply
Yavlinsky programme was just a proposal and was refused as wikipedia says. And as i personally can remember he was on TV in early 90s then he just disappeared off media and never really influenced politics.
 
I looked it up, it was Yakovlev as I first thought.
 
>Александр Яковлев о Перестройке:
>«Группа истинных, а не мнимых реформаторов разработали (разумеется, устно)
>следующий план: авторитетом Ленина ударить по Сталину, по сталинизму. А затем, в случае успеха, Плехановым и социал-демократией бить по Ленину, либерализмом и «нравственным социализмом» — по революционаризму вообще.
>Начался новый виток разоблачения «культа личности Сталина». Но не эмоциональным выкриком, как это сделал Хрущев, а с четким подтекстом: преступник не только Сталин, но и сама система преступна.»
 
>Aleksandr Yakovlev about Perestroika:
>"Group of true, not gimmicky reformers developed (only verbally of course) the following plan:
>strike Stalin with an authority of Lenin, strike revolutionism with liberalism and "moral socialism"
>A new round of exposing "Stalins personality cult" has begun. But not with emotional shout as it was done by Khruchev but with strict subtext: not only Stalin is a criminal, but the whole system is criminal"
 
I misinterpreted his words, he means that they have to find points where Stalin was going not strictly according to Lenins theory and then do the same with Lenin and theory itself.
 
Yes, Potanin and Fridman and Chubais are still there. Chubais is still on executive roles and is butt buddy of establishment. I mean anyway all oligarchs originated in 90s, there are no Russian oligarchs who made it from ground up.
United StatesBernd2020-12-28 02:35:45 · 5yNo. 105650reply
Ah ok, I was misunderstanding you on both accounts.
 
t. Retard
TurkeyBernd2020-12-28 02:39:28 · 5yNo. 105652reply
My English is crap too so it layered xD
TurkeyBernd2020-12-28 02:43:53 · 5yNo. 105653reply
Btw we just had a classic kc thread starting with what you doing on new years eve and finishing with perestroika, ussr and shit.
That almost forgotten feel.
United StatesBernd2020-12-28 02:45:12 · 5yNo. 105655reply
Well I don't think this will be the last time we talk about this but it was a nice discussion. Thanks Sergey :3
TurkeyBernd2020-12-28 02:45:55 · 5yNo. 105656reply
Hope so bud xD
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