A farfetched theory if you ask me.

Ex-criminals? They stopped being criminals?

Instead of racketeering kiosks like they did 25 years ago they now have a whole country :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

I unironically thought that potentially was the truth

You'd have to be unironically-Alex-Jones-tire to do that to yourself.

I think cia did it to destroy relationships between germany and russia and to end nord stream 2

I mean why would russia do it? They dont profit from it. Also why is it so difficult to kill someone with poison? If russia wants the guy gond they would pour cyankali or riccin into his drink not this crap poison. The only one to really benefit is america.

There is a much easier way to end nord stream 2: Partition polan between Rossiya and Germoney, give Belarus to Rossiya and problems werent.

German polticians being like "ummm yeah sweetey we have to like ummm reevaluate our stance on nord stream" are just spouting their typical bullshit. If the construction work wasn't already halted due to best-allies sanctions they would keep their grubby mouths shut and just stay with their usual "pls stop doin that russia".

America would benefit more by installing Navalny in office ala Yeltsin. This is just a clown circus operation and whoever did it is going to get sent to hui for free

If you look from the game theory approach, then the putin poisoning analny makes no sense. It is just shooting yourself many times. Such action is irrational on many steps. I told that before.

I don't understand why doesn't he testify if he is awake?

I'm surprised that nobody remember that he closed few weeks before poisoning his Business.

What if he's scared? Russia's tendrils extend further than its borders.

Unlikely.

I wonder what changed his outlook.

That's the point. Why wasn't he poisoned earlier? This version has more questions than answers.

Its false flag 100%

The democratic smokescreen appears necessary. I suppose there was a dilemma with the upcoming local elections showing massive corruption under Putin's anti-corruption schemes.

Big if true

 

Makes him an absolute mad lad to nerve agent himself just to spite putin

I believe Russian medics in this story. The guy just felt bad. They sent him to Germoney. There they found some usual stuff which is also in that poison. So they invented this story with poison. Well according to one of the creators of it.

When in Omsk prepare to narkoman

 

t. Navalny

Think deeper, navalny is actually a putin controlled oposition and he was poisoned by cia, 36.2d chess.

Cia is just too obvious, there has to be 20 dimensional chess at play, that’s too low iq for our MJ12 masters

If you think about who controls cia and who controls putin new dimensions will unravel.

So you prefer to have one side being low iq over the other.

Who is controlling who? All plays like this are for a reason but I believe a single reason discredits the act

Why is it so hard to accept the version that Putin tried to poison him?

Typical know-it-all KC approach towards all events mixed with the idiocy of non-Russian pootin supporters who dream of a "legal Hitler" to align with while knowing nothing about him and his "presidency".

 

Or, when it comes to Russians, as seen from posts of another Russball (probably BO :DDDD), they believe that Navalny is the controlled opposition who is there to control the direction of Russian protest and make sure it remains toothless. This is what I used to think before as well, but now I actually believe it isn't the case seeing how they tried to poison him.

 

I remind everyone who thinks that this is a false flag or some sort of conspiracy act: just stop for a while and consider the nightmarish incompetence of gremlin's goons. There isn't a single thing run properly in this hellscape of a country, why would the secret service be the one?

I'm not saying wectern media always tells the truth.

 

But I have heard that Russian propaganda pushes the notion that every government and every media is full of shit and biased. So when people notice Putin's minions lying, they think: "Yeah, but Wect is just as bad."

 

...certainly many imageboard users seem to have fallen for that kind of manipulation.

Because this version makes 0 sense obviously.

And they are not wrong.

You are trying to judge Putin's (or his men's) actions from a logical viewpoint, but there is not a single reason to seek logic in actions of an uneducated gopnik.

People think that Putin is a cold professional but it ain't the case, he's a rather hysterical human being taking things very, very presonal. Take a look at the story of NTV's takeover.

Yes, but that long list starts with Russia where not a single piece of media is trustworthy, except for a single radio station which opposition is allowed to have and a couple of newspapers, with, again, just a single one of them being available country-wide.

You're being brainwashed. Sad.

I just don't buy this meme of Putin went full crazy and incompetent.

 

Regarding media they are not much different to me. I personally read euronews, lenta.ru, aljazeera and reuters.

And kc of course.

 

Maybe it is you who is being brainwashed.

Skepticism is the easiest feeling to manipulate. Historically you have a great example to look back at, but somehow Germans are the biggest victims of RT's propaganda. I don't know why. Missing the DDR? Well, modern Russia has nothing to do with the old ways. Wishing for a legal Hitler? Pitoon ain't got a 1/100000th of Adolf's genuine love for his country or his competence and level of education. He doesn't even compare to Stalin. This man is the worst, lowest person to ever rule this country.

 

He didn't exactly "go" crazy and incompetent, he was born this way. He's an ordinary power-tripping goon. His presidency relies SOLELY on propaganda and "national guard" orcs.

Check this out.

Bernd, I told you I don't buy that meme about putin man crazy. Also why should I watch some German video about Putin. They have no knowledge of Russia. They are just some foreigners who make some chimp out report. Maybe also on a payrole for that. If I need to find something about Russia, I adress to Russians in first place. Same thing regarding other countries of course if I know the language.

It’s just too low iq for putin?! Here is a man who ho has controlled the second most powerful nation on the world and he is acting like a memester?! I don’t think putin is that dumb

Bernd, you were being adviced to watch the film by a Russian, therefore I stand behind this film and believe that this is a trustworthy source in a language you can understand. On top of it, the film is subtitled in Russian and you can easily see how Russians reacted by using Google translate. The commenters are expressing gratitude to German journalists for trying to tell the world what's really going on here.

 

Dude.

Nobody but wecterners believe le evil putin poisoned navalny due the fact that wecterners don't really know him and see is just like some typical kgb business in Russia. In reality, navalny is a small figure in Russias politics and is not considered as a threat. He was making investigations for many years for now. And I don't recall him bringing any red pills that would make Putin worry. I still think that this story will go to nowhere just like with skripals.

Hmm maybe a bit of an overstatement. Israel has more influence than Russia, as does China.

 

We can't forget Navalny has been attacked in the past before, arrested multiple times, etc. If the kremlin failed to suppress him, they sure as hell can't stop him now.

Also that Austrian really makes me think he's a foreign Russian or a shill.

I will watch it due to respect to you. But I will take it with a grain of salt.

I am not Austrian actually, neither I am Russian. But that doesn't matter. Calling everybody who disagrees with you a shill is just silly.

Anticorruptipn drives and a largdr voting base wouldn't worry a man who's seemingly untouchable? Okay kremlinbot.

You have no idea what you talk about and just continue your chimp out. Search kremlinbots under your bed, kek.

Look if the kremlin was never concerned about Navalny, shy did they imprison him multiple times during the last decade or try to stain his face in a mocking jest, costing him him one of his eyes?

Because he was involved in illegal activity. It actually ruined his reputation btw.

You're gonna have to explain to me how and when he was involved in illegal matters, for I've heard nothing of these allegations.

He was involved in robbery of government property. Want to find more then google translate this article.

 

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BE_%C2%AB%D0%9A%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%B0%C2%BB#%D0%95%D0%A1%D0%9F%D0%A7_%D0%B8_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B0

 

 

He was also a part of radical movement and connected with neo nazis in Russia. He got lucky that he got away with it.

Thank you. I won't recommend a shitty film to you. Keep your eyes wide open.

 

This board is too small and young (well, BO ran it for years but only now it's getting populated) to have any actuall "shills", as in "people who are paid for posts". Well, I hope so.

 

Belief in putinism is big in Europe and among American rednecks, it really is. I mean, go find the poorest drunkard maori in NZ, I suppose he'll like Putin too.

Wect does need strong leaders and the closest real example of a "strong leader" is Putin. But of course he is not the benevolent dictator the Russian media makes of him. However, Europeans don't care enough, they never bother learning his background and just generally agree with the "BASED POOOTIIIIN" meme, fully unaware of what current Russia is like.

This is the direct outcome of billions upon billions of Russian tax payer money being invested into Russian propaganda in foreign states, boasting the external signs of a ""conservative"" rule such as fags being beaten while fully ignoring the things that actually do matter in life.

If 420chan has had difficulties with Chinese shills, then its not out of the question to witness a shill on a budding board.

True. Everything is possible nowadays, especially considering that we posted links on kohlzinechan where actual shills exist (no direct proofs but it's fairly easy to recognize their posts). Anyhow, I remember normal posts being made here by an Austriaball and would like not to believe the worst...

 

Again, skepticism is the easiest feeling for propaganda to hop onto. Makes sense it works well with us, imageboard goers.

You wouldn't believe the sheere amount of "PUTIN IS OUR BIGGEST FRIEND!!!!!!" comments under any article on tagesschau (daily television news service with internet presence as well). I guess the most important factor of "putinism" how you call it, is not that they actually know anything about Putin or Russia, but that they think of Putin as a figure oppossing the USA. Which makes him a likeable figure to pawn germans.

 

There were also quite a few happenings surrounding the russian state alledegly funding the AfD (Alternative for Germany political party). However I am not aware of that ever having any judicial consequences.

history repeats itself

It's easy very easy to believe since I've spent a couple of summers in Thuringia (my aunt's married to a German man) and talked to locals. The only reason my ostalgic German step-uncle himself isn't a huge fan of Putin is that he's been to Russia a billion times and can judge on his own. But even he keeps on talking about how Putin is a hero for "opposing the US", despite the fact that he's the biggest financial vassal of the US. The immigrant policy is another thing, somehow these people believe Russia is white and homogenic, like Europeans remember their own countries from childhood. I have not the slightest idea where this misconception comes from given that Russia has majority-muslim regions, with mid. Asians adding up to these numbers.

 

Honestly I had sympathy for AfD and would like to believe it was the "the enemy of my enemy" kind of funding, but who knows.

So about that documentary. Navalny did better quality investigation tbh. Some clowns talk with literally whos then come up with some conclusions assuming other cases were real. Cases which are also shady and unclear. This show is basically some shitpost on KC which went too far they made an almost hour video out of it. And yeah I do not deny that Putin is corrupt and has some ties with mafia. This doesn't make him unique btw. Mafias exist because they work with governments. Watch black mass for example. But enough whataboutism.

 

The point was that you claim that Putin acted irrational. I do not agree with you. This video does not convince me.

Conservative people will support Putin obviously. And not only because he opposes USA but also because he is relativelly more conservative than degenerate wect. They have no idea that Russia also has its rapefugees in form of chechens who behave like niggers in their country.

When the AfD started out under Lucke I was hopeful. However Lucke was playing the political game like the amateur he truly was and doomed himself. That party is nothing but a bunch of dreamers, shills and frank idiots who'd like to enrich themselves.

While they might have members who actually believe in the slogans the powerful party members spout, its all just a big scam. Quo vadis Deutschland

With AfD being a Kremlin's agent and Dritte Weg/NPD looking absolutely unelectable, things do look bleak. But the shift to Right is inevitable, it's a matter of time. People promised that shift for years but now it actually looks convincing enough.

 

Sounds more like a salt mine rather than a grain.

True, ties with mafia are the sad norm of capitalist states, but this case is unique. He isn't just a politician with ties to mafia, he is a politician emerging from mafia. That's different for countries outside Africa and Latin America.

 

Want other examples of his office's irrationality?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTV_(Russia)#Talk_show_with_people_of_Ryazan_and_FSB_members

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_siege#Storming_by_Russian_forces

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kursk_submarine_disaster

He was from KGB. Telling that KGB is a mafia is far fetched.

 

And lets go to your cases:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTV_(Russia)#Talk_show_with_people_of_Ryazan_and_FSB_members

This case is not clear for me. Some guys in government threatened NTV for bombings reports.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_siege#Storming_by_Russian_forces

Russians special forces doing badly in hostage saving situation is not new to me. But hostage operation is one thing and assasination attempt is another.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings

The whole case is shady I have to agree. Especially I was concerned how jirinovsky was shut during his speech. Later he told to that zoomer reporter that he denies the idea that intelligence agencies were behind it and said that there could be some mistake. Believe him or not is up to you.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kursk_submarine_disaster

Kursk submarine was a mess I agree on that. It was a tragedy and they valued their secrets more than soldier lives.

 

I can even bring more cases. The last horrible disaster was in cemerevo where all was shitty prepared and shitty implemented. So many children died in fire and that fat annoying cunt in charge just left his position instead of further prosecution.

 

But still look. I will try to explain.

The version which is promoted by western propaganda is that putin killed a leader of opposition with novichok poison.

 

First of all, so called novichok failed with skripal assasination. Which is btw another case which ended up nowhere. And west likes to tie those cases assuming that putin actually poisoned scripals. And this version already falls appart since it makes no sense to use poison that failed once alredy. Besides there is many more easier ways to kill a person and even make look it like an accident. There is no point for such a james bond circus with horses they try to portray.

 

Secondly what are motives behind it?

How long is Navalny around? And Putin tolerated him all that time. More over in some latest elections he proved himeslf being some selfish populist not different than putin. I don't like peskov but he made a good point that navalny is so incompetent he could not unite opposition. Out of nowhere he becomes a threat to Putin so Putin poisons him. I just don't see any trigger that made him suddenly want to poison Navalny. If you could tell me something then it would be nice. I maybe miss something since I didn't follow navalny for long time due the fact how he keeps discrediting himself.

 

 

And finally, why send evidence?

Why would Putin want to give Navalny to the west where they could find any information against him? If I am a criminal and I commited a crime, then it is in my interest to avoid others to know that I did it therefore my actions would be hidding evidence no revealing it to other parties.

 

 

 

You can blame Putin creating such situation that he is considered the least evil by Russians and that whole opposition is just a bunch of clowns who are not reliable and could not be treated seriously. But that he somehow tried to assassinate Navalny is very unlikely because Navalnyi is no different from those clowns.

 

For now, the only way in which I would consider government somehow involved in all this case is that if Navalny somehow discovered something that would turn upside down everything.

this tbh. i still vote them because they are the only anti-migration party but they still suck.