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I'm trying to get into supplements.

One thing that annoys me to no end is that most available products mix all kinds of stuff together. I have a pretty good idea what I want to take and what not. I have a cheap multivitamin with some essential minerals that covers the baseline of what everyone should take just to be safe.

Then I want to add some collagen for joint health and muscle growth, but all products that are easily available to me are beauty products for women or joint supplements for old people that not only contain collagen but also a bunch of other shit that's either scientifically proven to be useless, not for me or another dose of vitamins, even though I already get them from my multivitamin. I don't want to waste money or take triple the recommended dose.

Similar with protein powder. I saw some cheap vanilla flavoured protein powder at the grocery store and decided to try it out without looking at it more closely. That was a mistake. Since it is pea protein it is marketed for vegans and has a bunch of shit added that vegans usually don't get from food. I'm not a vegan. But even if I were this would be annoying since I wouldn't want to take my other micronutrients with the protein powder.

Bernd2022-01-27 21:17:51 · 4yNo. 133558 reply

>>133554

>supplements

I get the idea of sourcing purified/refined single components, but as you already noted salesmen tend not to sell that. And actual single biochemicals can get really expensive. I get the feeling the main reason why supplement salesmen don't like selling single active ingredients is exactly because of silly laws and regulations regarding sourcing such substances for actual biochemical labs, and to avoid having to file paperworks on purity of their products (which they probably can't reach anyway), they rather just mix shit together and sell like that.

So.

What I want to say is, I'm much more oriented towards finding easily procurable sources that contain what you want: e.g. want collagen? Skin and tendons will thicken your sauces with it (and also taste good). Just build your lifestyle around optimising what you can get from what's already around you.

Bernd2022-01-27 21:39:42 · 4yNo. 133563 reply

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>>133554

Supplements are a waste of money, because most people living in the developed world get everything they need from their diet (unless they have weird eating patters like vegans).

The only thing that most first-worlders are deficient in are iodine (because of fluoridated water and lack of salt). I put a drop of iodine in my water bottle once every couple of days because I don't eat enough iodine rich foods.

Bernd2022-01-27 22:02:03 · 4yNo. 133566 reply

>>133563

Meh, it depends. You do get enough from your diet for normal lifestyle, yes, but for specific training regimens, you might want to up your stakes a bit. And then there's also some weird specific effects you can get from overdosing, e.g. niacin flush (to get superhuman blood circulation)

Bernd2022-01-27 22:13:48 · 4yNo. 133567 reply

>>133563

That's just not true, although it is a popular talking point. There are a bunch of studies that justify my desire to supplement certain things and my doctor said it might be a good idea, too.

Just to give one example: The majority of people in the developed world are deficient in vitamin d. This was sometimes in the news during the pandemic and you might have heard about it.

Bernd2022-01-27 22:23:50 · 4yNo. 133571 reply

>>133567

B12 deficiency is also fairly common, but that one actually is caused primarily by memegeterian and adjacent diets

Tho I'm not sure if D should count, given that the major source of D is supposed to be biosynthesis and not dietary (same as cholesterol)

Bernd2022-01-27 23:25:05 · 4yNo. 133574 reply

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Bernd2022-01-28 03:27:07 · 4yNo. 133581 reply

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>>133566

Whey supplements are good if you don't already have enough protein in your diet and don't have time to prepare protein heavy foods such as legumes or meat.

>>133567

>>133571

if you have white skin and go outside often, you don't need Vit D. Northern Europeans evolved white skin to get Vit D naturally. The reason why Eskimos are yellow and Nords are white is because eskimos lived by the sea and ate lots of fish (which was rich with vitamin D) while Nords lived inland and had to get Vit D from the sun. Selection pressure meant that continental europeans evolved to get Vit D on their own.

If you have an office / WFH job, then vit d might be necessary, but if you go outside frequently it is unnecessary.

Bernd2022-01-28 09:56:53 · 4yNo. 133608 reply

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The best supplements for a 28+ yo to take are NMN and Resveratrol

They help combat the cell degradation that causes biological aging

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Bernd2022-01-28 10:03:14 · 4yNo. 133612 reply

>>133608

how is this not scam?

nothing seems easier than making money by selling anti aging pills without proof that they work

Bernd2022-01-28 13:26:43 · 4yNo. 133660 reply

>>133612

The effectiveness of NMN and its derivative NAD+ in countering cell degredation absolutely is backed up by science

Bernd2022-01-28 13:46:17 · 4yNo. 133664 reply

>>133608

>>133660

This Dr. Rhonda makes things always a bit too complicated for my low iq self.

Bernd2022-01-28 14:14:31 · 4yNo. 133679 reply

>>133664

Aging (in the post 25 yo sense) is cell degradation due to dna damage

There are enzymes in the body called sirtuins that work to counter dna damage and allow cells to remain healthy for a greater number of cell divisions

NMN converts to NAD+ in the body. NAD+ a nutrient that is needed by the sirtuins to function, but the body's reserves of it get depleted as you age, making it useful to take it as a supplement

Bernd2022-01-28 17:09:28 · 4yNo. 133700 reply

>>133679

Where do I get these supplements?

Bernd2022-01-28 17:19:38 · 4yNo. 133701 reply

>>133700

amazon

maybe some supplement stores

resveratrol can also be obtained from red grapes, but NMN is more potent and more important

Bernd2022-01-28 17:49:15 · 4yNo. 133713 reply

>>133608

>>133679

Panicking about aging is major cringe.

Your body is here for you to spend it.

Bernd2022-01-28 19:17:32 · 4yNo. 133738 reply

>>133713

How is making sure your body stays healthy for as long as possible "panicking over aging"? By that logic you could also drink and smoke everyday.

Bernd2022-01-28 19:19:00 · 4yNo. 133739 reply

>>133701

I'll try to eat lots of broccoli and drink red grape juice.

Bernd2022-01-28 20:43:38 · 4yNo. 133752 reply

>>133738

>By that logic you could also drink and smoke everyday.

yes, exactly

to die while having liver and lung still intact is a waste of liver and lung

of course, keep some moderation - don't waste one organ way too early, that'd be a waste of all other organs

Bernd2022-01-28 20:45:25 · 4yNo. 133755 reply

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>>133752

Retard logic. Why cripple yourself at a certain age when you could still live life?

Bernd2022-01-28 20:48:12 · 4yNo. 133757 reply

>>133755

>cripple

Who said anything about "crippling yourself"?

I'm only warning against oversaving your body to the point you could have had your body take much more, and regretting it in the end, since the one thing you can't control is - your heart will still go weaker with time from constant use.

Bernd2022-01-28 21:04:09 · 4yNo. 133763 reply

>>133757

You're arguing in favour of destroying it prematurely.

Bernd2022-01-28 22:13:50 · 4yNo. 133764 reply

>>133763

No, I am in favour of destroying it right on time.

Bernd2022-02-09 13:02:44 · 4yNo. 135399 reply

>>133554

Wow, after taking all those supplements your piss must be really expensive.

I don't really want to go into those supplement shits. Nutrition is the most controversial area in science and tbh I have never ever seen a healthy person who pops those pills. Usually they are people who have fallen under some multi-level-marketing scam. I only follow Pentti Linkola's guide to nutrition.

"If you don't eat you will die, if you eat you will live. As a clarification it should be said that particles that hurt your teeth and gut, like nails and glass shards, should be avoided"

Bernd2022-02-09 13:03:20 · 4yNo. 135400 reply

>>133752

I like your way of thinking.

Bernd2022-02-09 13:09:00 · 4yNo. 135401 reply

>>135399

>Wow, after taking all those supplements your piss must be really expensive.

Multivitamin is like 2€/month.

Bernd2022-02-09 13:22:58 · 4yNo. 135403 reply

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During the Corona habbenings of early 2020 when the tale of the town was that Corona had like 10% mortality rate i bought like 20kg of whey protein powder, as it's the most optimal survival food. Whey protein + multivitamin pills + seed oil + some salt, and you won't be dying or even being that unhealthy.

It will taste like shit and you will be kinda miserable, but technically it's enough to keep you alive and going.

Now they are all expiring.

>Whey protein + multivitamin pills + seed oil + some salt, and you won't be dying or even being that unhealthy.

By this i mean you won't be having any immediate medical conditions due to deficits. It's not "healthy eating" in the long run, as those seed oils are pretty much 100% saturated fat, but if it's the apocalypse, you'll be doing pretty fine.

Bernd2022-02-09 17:35:03 · 4yNo. 135523 reply

>>135401

And it's all going to be in your piss pretty soon.

Bernd2022-02-09 18:08:32 · 4yNo. 135528 reply

>>135403

>+ some salt

(Whey) protein supplements have loads of sodium. Huge amount. It isn't on the label among the ingredients, because it isn't added into the powder but it is a byproduct of the production process. High sodium is useful for the producers, because it keeps the water in the muscle tissue causing them to look more puffy, and the bodybuilders (who are/were the main target audience) see a quicker muscle "growth".

This information comes from a study which tested over 100 protein supplements, and checked if the ingredient labels are true. Somewhere I have it dl'd, I had links, but this was in ~2013, so most likely I can't give exact source now.

Bernd2022-02-09 18:28:43 · 4yNo. 135532 reply

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>>133554

> I'm trying to get into supplements.

Try getting the supplements into you, that should be cheaper, easier and more effective.

Bernd2022-02-09 18:40:13 · 4yNo. 135533 reply

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>>135532

Nice.

Bernd2022-02-09 19:45:20 · 4yNo. 135538 reply

>>135523

Are you a medical doctor?

Bernd2022-02-09 22:42:03 · 4yNo. 135643 reply

>>135538

Yes. And even a 80 IQ can tell you that water soluble nutrients are going to go into your piss.

Bernd2022-02-09 22:44:20 · 4yNo. 135644 reply

>>135643

...if they're not used elsewhere in your body, yes.

It's not a bad idea to supplement those. They're cheap as fuck, do no harm and there are some cases where it might be a good idea to take them. Worst thing that happens I drank a tasty drink without any additional benefits.

Bernd2022-02-09 22:44:24 · 4yNo. 135645 reply

>>135643

just drink your own piss then :DD problmes werent

Bernd2022-02-14 18:28:16 · 4yNo. 136612 reply

>>133554

when i was taking bcca mixed with vits then i wasnt feel wish to consuming my vit-minerl pills, then when bcca was consumed all then i switched to vita-minerl pills. it is just having both home without needing visit shop often