Geschichte SchulbuecherBernd 2022-10-18 14:35:58 ⋅ 1mn No. 234066
Hallo. Ich lebe in Russland und schreibe eine Studie ueber die Schulbuecher fuer Geschichte in verschiedenen Laendern. Ich will die Rezeption der Ereignisse des zweiten Weltkrieges in den Schulbuechern vergleichen. Kann jemand mir auf einige Fragen antworten? 1. Mit welchen Lehrbuechern lernten sie Geschichte in der Schule? (Der Autor, der Titel des Buches oder das Link) 2. Wie kann man diese Buecher kostenlos lesen? Ich versuchte libgen zu benutzen, aber es brachte mich keinen grossen Erfolg. Danke. P.S. Sorry for bad German, didn't have much practice for a long time
Bernd 2022-10-19 06:53:23 ⋅ 1mn No. 234237
>>234066 Доброе утро I'll answer in English, because I am too lazy for proper German right now. It seems like an really interesting topic to write about, however I can imagine it must be a bitch to investigate for someone from 'outside', since even I had problems to find information that could be valuable to you. I went to school from the end of the 90s to the end of the 00s in Bavaria. So what I am telling might be totally oudated and not the current situation anymore. Due to Germany's federalism regarding education and its curriculums, you had almost as many different history (or actually any other school subject) books as there are different federate states. Even though curriculums are/were similiar as far as I am aware. So I think it was almost a given that around Class 9 (at least in Bavaria and irregardless of the type of secondary education school you visited.Talking about Hauptschule, Realschule, Gymnasium here) you were hearing about WW2 and Nationalsocialism often accompanied with a school trip to the KZ in Dachau.
Bernd 2022-10-19 07:01:35 ⋅ 1mn No. 234238
>>234237 Unfortunately I currently can only give rather short answers to your questions, but I'll try to find some more information: 1. I switched school forms around Class 8 or 9, but in the early 2000s my Bavarian schools had history books from the publisher 'Westermann' 'Horizonte 9' by Ulrich Baumgärtner (pic related) was a history book for the 9th class for Bavarian Gymnasien. ISBN 9783141110302 (release date 2007, so the book I actually used was probably a bit older) I've also seen/used 'Geschichte kennen und verstehen 9' by Christian Fritsche from the publisher Oldenburg which was a history book for class 9 Realschule ISBN 9783637888692
Bernd 2022-10-19 07:13:29 ⋅ 1mn No. 234239
>>234238 Maybe an interesting side note for you: In Germany you have several publisher that publish education books. The biggest names here are probably Cornelsen, Ernst-Klett-Verlag (Klett-Cotta), Westermann and Oldenbourg (and probably even more I don't remember or never really came across in my school days) They print school books for every academic year, for every different secondory education school type and of course fitting the current curriculums of the specific federate state. The books have to get approved by the federal ministry for education to be used as book. (Now that I think about it I wonder if there was ever a book published by one of those publishers that didn't get approved. In Bavaria you have the CSU (conservative party) governing for decades which of course also appoint the federal minister of education. Whereas in Berlin you have more left-leaning government SPDs, Greens and such. I also wonder if curriculums which are federal affairs are subject to any political bias that can and will and was influenced by the current governing party)
Bernd 2022-10-19 07:15:20 ⋅ 1mn No. 234240
>>234239 >In Germany you have several publisher that publish education books. The biggest names here are probably Cornelsen, Ernst-Klett-Verlag (Klett-Cotta), Westermann and Oldenbourg (and probably even more I don't remember or never really came across in my school days) >They print school books for every academic year, for every different secondory education school type and of course fitting the current curriculums of the specific federate state. The books have to get approved by the federal ministry for education to be used as book. Furthermore we often had books in use that were pretty dated and probably not the current and latest print available. Money's tight and such things.
Bernd 2022-10-19 07:17:28 ⋅ 1mn No. 234241
>>234240 Regarding your second question: 2. Many years ago I looked up elementary school books for a Bernd trying to learn German. I found z-lib and pdfdrive.com to be useful for that. Libgen didn't seem to offer most of the things I found on those sites. Take https://b-ok.cc/publisher/Cornelsen%20Verlag%20GmbH for example
Bernd 2022-10-19 07:24:21 ⋅ 1mn No. 234242
>>234066 >Ich will die Rezeption der Ereignisse des zweiten Weltkrieges in den Schulbuechern vergleichen I am definitely not an expert or have researched that topic at all, but I would probaby guess that this changed by a lot when you compare German history books from the 50s or 60s, with the ones from the 90s (probably reunification also influenced that somehow), early 2000s and the ones that are currently in use. The hazy memories I have about 'those' topics (WW2, 3rd Reich and the things leading up to it) or rather catchwords from my school days go like: Hitler being a failed painter ('what a loser HAHA'), how Hitler came to power, Reichskanzlerwahl, Gleichschaltung, Germans victimizing jews/Holocaust
Bernd 2022-10-19 07:26:54 ⋅ 1mn No. 234243
>>234242 >Hitler being a failed painter ('what a loser HAHA'), Not that you get the wrong impression, but I had a rather young female (and pretty thicc) history teacher back then in 8th grade in Gymnasium that made this a topic in a few sentences. But it somehow sticked in my brain for all that time. Hitler being a loser because he was a failed painter is or was probably not a part of the curriculum.
Bernd 2022-10-19 10:41:34 ⋅ 1mn No. 234249
>>234243 Addendum: https://schulstoff.org/g/buecher/geschichte-9.php Link related might be helpful to you. It lists current history books of several federal countries for grade 9. Goold ole Horizonte 9 from Westermann seems to be still a thing in Bavaria https://www.amazon.de/Horizonte-Geschichte-Gymnasien-Ausgabe-Sch%C3%BClerband/dp/3141122156/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Horizonte+-+Geschichte+f%C3%BCr+Gymnasien+in+Bayern+-+Ausgabe+2018%3A+Sch%C3%BClerband+9
Bernd 2022-10-19 10:56:41 ⋅ 1mn No. 234253
>>234249 Take this book for example: https://b-ok.cc/book/5643268/cb9b93 It's from Cornelsen Verlag, made for 9th grade, Gymnasium, Baden-Württemberg and should cover the topics you are looking for. Seems like a rather recent print, too
Bernd 2022-10-19 11:02:30 ⋅ 1mn No. 234255
>>234253 https://b-ok.cc/book/16706641/9e2118 Another one. Forum Geschichte 9./10. Schuljahr - Vom Ende des Ersten Weltkriegs bis zur Gegenwart also from Cornelsen Verlag. But a print for Niedersachen, 9th (maybe 10th too) grade, Gymnasium. Thinking about it, I wonder how things are done in Russia in terms of school books and curriculum? Probably more simplified, unified? Or does every Oblast have its own curriculum and there is a similiar situation with many books and many publishers like in Germany? As I already mentioned you have several publishers specializing in school books, having a print for each and every different grade, for each German federate country and of course for every subject. Schools can choose freely which books to buy from what publisher for the subject. I remember having books from several different publishers (but ofc just one for each subject) which was normal back then. So English book from Cornelsen, history from Westermann, German from Oldenbourg and so on.
Bernd 2022-10-19 11:09:34 ⋅ 1mn No. 234256
>>234255 I'll just dump more book links: Kursbuch Geschichte 11./12. Schuljahr - Sachsen-Anhalt - Schülerbuch https://b-ok.cc/book/16696143/4aefde Grundwissen Geschichte: Sekundarstufe 2. Hauptbd. https://b-ok.cc/book/5643264/576cb2 Maybe also interesting: Abitur-Wissen Geschichte. Nationalsozialismus und 2. Weltkrieg. https://b-ok.cc/book/690177/7531be This is a book from 2001 and is/was used for A levels/Abitur finals preparation at Gymnasium. I can't tell you which Bundesland though. Definitely have a look at this German school book list: https://b-ok.cc/booklist/673240/6008bc
Bernd 2022-10-19 13:05:26 ⋅ 1mn No. 234271
Many thanks! I really appreciate your help. It will be even more convenient for me to discuss this topic in English. My task is to compare modern textbooks, maybe since 90-s or 2000s. If you are interested in, there are some survey done about the way the history of WW2 was taught in all the countries that had participated in this war. It's the Russian translation of the book by Mark Ferro, which was originally written in French, but I think it should be also translated into English Regarding your questions about Russian system of education: 1) There is a sort of inequality between different federal subjects in Russia concerning education policy. Simply put, there are regions (oblasts) and national republics. Republics have much more rights to choose their policy in many aspects, including the education one. So I will speak about how it is done in 2) Main difference between textbooks are not in publishing houses, but in the authors of teaching materials. There are different teaching materials (Учебно-методический комплекс or УМК), which done by different authors. It consist of a textbook, a workbook, a teacher's book and some additional materials) I'm not sure whether this situation concerns history books because I'm German and English teacher (but now I study for a Master's degree in Political science, haha) but basically there are maybe 3-4 sets of УМК for basic and the same amount for advanced learning. The school chooses those that it prefers and students are taught using them There was more freedom about which textbook to choose before, but now there are always some standards and just an insane amount of paperwork regarding it. 3) When I was a schoolboy, we had a textbook about Russian history and a textbook about World History (but in fact it was about European History, with an exception of Ancient Egypt and Middle East. 4) Students learn a region's history not in history classes, there is another subject which says about it. It is unique in every region. The name of the subject is made from "a region's name + ending "ведение" like Москвоведение, Калугаведение and so on) Also there is a lot of information given in homeroom periods (классный час = klassny chas) For example, I am from Kaluga, and the main hero was a rocket scientist Tsiolkovsky, who lived and worked in our region. 5) Textbook are divided by level (advanced or basic) and grade. But there are also private schools, religious schools, elite schools and I have no information how it is done there. I assume they have much more freedom 6) History lessons and textbooks are becoming much more ideologized now because of recent political events and my purpose is to track this change. Fortunately, it's in our blood to overcome these idiotic laws, so I hope, the thins won't get much worse, haha. Like a good teacher makes anyway a lot of materials himself with papersheets, presentations and so on. P.S. Does it really need to make an effort to communicate in proper German? In the University I heard that only maybe about ~25% of people in German speak Hochdeutsch in everyday communication and AFAIK Bairish is quite different from Hochdeutsch Many thanks!