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Russia Bernd 2022-05-13 18:50:56 ⋅ 4mn No. 148395
Remember Jordan B Peterson? He disappeared at some point and now re-emerged as EXPERT ON CHINA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf1D9-zSOME Why do people who don't speak Chinese language and never been to China, who live in countries that predominantly post only bad biased things about China - why do they think they can be experts on China? Would you listen to some nigger from Congo who doesn't speak English never been to USA but who would profess to you that he is an expert on USA because he read a lot of anti-American news in some nigger-tier african newspaper? This is American expert community focused on China - a bunch of retards who don't know anything about the country, but want to be relevant because there is a fear that China can outgrow USA, and these fake experts job is to calm the audience with stories like "CHINA WILL FAIL, CHINA WILL COLLAPSE, CALM THE FUCK UP, CHINA IS DOOMED"
Russia Bernd 2022-05-13 18:55:21 ⋅ 4mn No. 148396
and why do you thing Jordan B Peterson picked this topic as his come back? He knows this is the hip story, he wants to be in good with cathedral, with think tank crowds, he thinks its like a positive dog whisteling like saying - >i am against China too, do you see, deep state? i am on the side of CIA, FBI and State department, i am anti-Chinese, give me some coverage in secretly state sponsored news and organisations, give me some clout and i will sing more and more anti-Chinese propaganda, i am still usefull even if i slept like a log on a rehab in some Moscow clinic after being hooked up on drugs to cure pains that i developed after going raw meat diet listening to my retarded daughter who heard it from some guru online, but it doesn't matter, i am back and i can still be of use to the imperialist machine!
Russia Bernd 2022-05-13 19:08:10 ⋅ 4mn No. 148397
also, where is that other thread about China? i remember some slovenian retard posting about Evergrande and debt collapse there saying it is the end of China i wanted to laugh at his predictions because as always they didn't come to life, because he consumes garbage from same self-proclaimed fake China experts like this washed up junkie Peterson yesterday you lie in your vomit and convulse in some moscow clinic, tomorrow you can just proclaim you are an expert on China, repeat a few racist cliches about how rigid Chinese are and lack imagination - and you will gain audience and support from deep state? i just watched Peterson's video and he says at 3:50 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf1D9-zSOME "i come to USA a lot, i ve been almost to every US state" but did he ever travel to China, to any province? No. Not a single time did he travel to China, but again, he seems to be under the impression he has some deep knowledge and is capable of speaking about the subject with smug face of the expert. Thats so bizzare. To see the arogance of men like that
Russia Bernd 2022-05-13 19:17:15 ⋅ 4mn No. 148398
I like this site because it shows you the titles of the videos and you can post links to videos and titles would be neatly arranged in a column. So check this column and tell me its not a cope https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bww_LNrJYHs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIFly9M8K80 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-3kIsW4KEM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OulAdP-JzsA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv8hmXeb4Bo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2AwfgOpSUM Winning people don't need that cope
Netherlands Bernd 2022-05-13 19:53:18 ⋅ 4mn No. 148406
Never watched any memerson video
Russia Bernd 2022-05-13 19:55:41 ⋅ 4mn No. 148408
>>148406 at some point youtube algorithms were literally forcing him on people you could have been watching some irrelevant gaming video and after it ends - there would be peterson video next, this was very strange and retarded. like i literally started raging at some point and started blocking all channels with him in hopes that Youtube will get a clue that im not intrested now that peterson speaks shit about China i suppose they will boost his videos again
Slovenia Bernd 2022-05-13 20:18:27 ⋅ 4mn No. 148410
>>148397 Lol, lmao. You think China is doing the idiotic lockdowns just for fun? It's a front to hide how badly their economy is doing. Force shut it down instead of letting it collapse. Btw, now it's not just Evergrande anymore, Sunac is fucked too.
Russia Bernd 2022-05-13 20:34:45 ⋅ 4mn No. 148413
>>148410 So lockdowns is the current "reason of the inevitable collapse of China"? Lets abbreviate this for short R- Reason O - Of T - The I - Inevitable C - Collapse O - Of C - China ROTICOC ! So the current ROTICOC is lockdowns in the few cities? Somehow lockdown in Shanghai supposed to be some horrible even? Who the fuck cares about Shanghai? When lockdowns end your memory is going to empty and erase this ROTICOC and you going to fill the ROTICOC vacancy with some new thing?
Russia Bernd 2022-05-13 20:46:09 ⋅ 4mn No. 148415
Turns out Sunac just fucked mostly foreigners who invested in dollars, but payed up investors who were locals its just as if you were foreigner but bought Russian stocks. Somewhere some Wojak is crying because China refused to pay to him on his investment and just said "default, now fuck off", but payed Chinese investors https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_kUbgEaYBA
Slovenia Bernd 2022-05-13 20:47:39 ⋅ 4mn No. 148416
>>148413 No, lockdown is the kabuki theatre to hide how fucked China really is. It's a distraction.
Russia Bernd 2022-05-13 20:49:34 ⋅ 4mn No. 148418
>>148416 So you are like that nigger from Congo who never been to USA and doesn't speak English, believes that Biden lost all the power in USA and now Q is giving orders, while most of USA is heading to civil war, based on some facebook post - conspiracy tier
Slovenia Bernd 2022-05-13 20:52:22 ⋅ 4mn No. 148420
>>148418 Idk, if you have a better explanation why China is trying so hard to shoot itself in the foot as many times as possible, go ahead, enlighten me)))
Russia Bernd 2022-05-13 20:56:51 ⋅ 4mn No. 148422
>>148420 it all depends on whether you are lucid enough to understand and accept reality China doesn't want to let COVID run loose, because if China drops Zero-Covid then millions of old people will die and blame will fall on Communist party of China. So they have to choose between the lockdown and damage to economy or letting COVID run wild like in USA and damage to economy and damage to party They picked to pursue a lockdown, because it also valuable lesson that can be used in war times. When you lock down a city, you get expirience how to feed people, how to provide them with food, water and everything they need. In wars similar lockdowns will happen, but China will have the technology and skills for that, easy to mobilize people, easy to place everyone in the factory, easy to stop damage from American bioweapons.
Slovenia Bernd 2022-05-13 21:09:12 ⋅ 4mn No. 148423
>>148422 >if China drops Zero-Covid then millions of old people will die So you're saying Chinese vaccine was snake oil? >it also valuable lesson that can be used in war times. When you lock down a city, you get expirience how to feed people, how to provide them with food, water and everything they need. So far they're only failing at it hard. Lol.
Russia Bernd 2022-05-13 21:19:19 ⋅ 4mn No. 148424
>>148423 No, vaccines don't guarantee 100% protection whether in USA, whether in China. and besides China is not mandating its vaccines, its just physically harder to vaccinate 1.4 billion people than something the size of American population > failing at it hard And you know about it from what biased source?
Russia Bernd 2022-05-13 22:07:44 ⋅ 4mn No. 148428
>>148395 >Jordan B Peterson Obligatory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWXxlYzBCno
Slovenia Bernd 2022-05-13 22:28:57 ⋅ 4mn No. 148429
>>148424 >And you know about it from what biased source? I think phone recorded videos are a source less biased than official state propaganda. But even then, whenever state propaganda writes a piece that says they "dispel rumours" that's an admission that it's true.
Russia Bernd 2022-05-13 22:41:35 ⋅ 4mn No. 148431
>nigger >nigger >nigger Wow, racist much?
Slovenia Bernd 2022-05-13 23:06:14 ⋅ 4mn No. 148432
>>148431 I think OP might be nazi.
Russia Bernd 2022-05-14 02:22:34 ⋅ 4mn No. 148439
>>148432 Denazification forces are on the way!
Russia Bernd 2022-05-14 07:43:55 ⋅ 4mn No. 148444
>>148429 i know the phone videos from some different city 5 years ago can be presented as current news, and even from a diffrent country. I saw some Indonesian videos from 8 years ago presented as proof of current events in Xinjiang, and even some sado-mazo roleplayer was filming porn about being abused by a cop - it was his kink - but people on twitter were seriously sharing it as example of abuse in Chinese jails. so i don't trust any sources that claim to report independent news on China, they often add made up translation to simple conversations, beacuse western people don't speak Chinese and could read fake subtitles believing that this is actualy whats being said
Slovenia Bernd 2022-05-14 14:12:45 ⋅ 4mn No. 148462
>>148444 5 years ago there were 大白 roaming the streets? 5 years ago law enforcement wore hazmat suits?
Russia Bernd 2022-05-14 16:20:19 ⋅ 4mn No. 148463
>>148462 Not big whites, but they are posting a lot of different videos with different claims. Kuklusclan party was in Wuhan and is across many cities, doing different silly things over 2 years, i do not defend all of them, some village dummie with little education could have gotten some things wrong, but in the population of 1.4 billion there are a lot of dummies. As i said if there is 1 ultra-epic retard like Chris Chan on 1 million people in every country than USA would have 332 of them because USA has 332 mill. But in China with same odds there would be 1400 chris chans and for an observer who cherrypicks and doesn't account for big statistics could seem like China has a lot of retards, but its only because they have more people in general
Russia Bernd 2022-05-15 11:46:03 ⋅ 4mn No. 148507
>BUT AT WHAT COST! for shit like that in Western countries you\d be canceled, but its okay to bemoan that China followed quarantine protocols
Russia Bernd 2022-05-25 21:16:59 ⋅ 4mn No. 149582
more wishcasting. Just read the names of these videos, you don't even need to watch them, just read the titles and think why there is a demand for such videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zGQFceDrIM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX-4VQNqMCU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1UM3894a6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ERsEKLdphk Can China succeed at anything according to these videos? if you watch these videos, China is failing, collapsing, ending, desintegrating constantly. But at the same time China somehow remains stable and grows
Russia Bernd 2022-05-25 21:27:59 ⋅ 4mn No. 149585
Why some Westerners so obsessed with "CHINA BAD" they watch this garbage? Like wtf is this demand. Like some Westerners have the need to fill the role of the bad guy with some country or a person, thats their worldview - there is this niche, this hole that has to be filled. And they watch this English teacher's videos who literally just mishmashes >China bad, steal, hurr durrr, cheat, bad, evil, spy, fear hurr durr in different combinations and its enough. If this guy was making videos about how China is great, then he would have like 100 views, but since he picked the topic of China bad then his views skyrocketed and none of the videos are indepth, its all shallow fearmongering and racism basically, but since its racism against Chinese its allowed on Youtube imagine making such videos about jews and Israel
Germany Bernd 2022-05-25 21:30:35 ⋅ 4mn No. 149586
>>149585 i'm not obsessed with chyna checkmate
Russia Bernd 2022-05-25 21:38:16 ⋅ 4mn No. 149589
>>149586 you are sane, but i'm sure that some people will try to fix you and see you as a problem so they gonna brainwash you to make you care about muslims in China, as if this is so important, relations of Germany and China should be revised or broken. Meanwhile no one cared about millions of muslims suffering from US invasions in the middle east, who cares if their homes are bombed, husbands are torn by bullets or if they are misplaced - this is no issue, but yougurts in Xinjiang is very troublesome, they seem are not allowed to treat their women as property and their religious freedoms of killing infidels and declaring caliphate with Sharia law are being infringed upon by China
Slovenia Bernd 2022-05-25 21:42:41 ⋅ 4mn No. 149592
>>149589 >Meanwhile no one cared about millions of muslims suffering from US invasions in the middle east You really don't remember how Germany and France vetoed US interventions in the middle east? How it caused a huge spat that led to massive butthurt in burgerland, all the "freedom fries" shenanigans and such?
Russia Bernd 2022-05-25 22:04:26 ⋅ 4mn No. 149594
>>149592 vetoed? Germany has millitary in Iraq right now https://defencehub.live/threads/german-federal-armed-forces-deployment-in-iraq-to-continue.11602/ Same with Afghanistan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Armed_Forces_casualties_in_Afghanistan they make noises, but in the end they toe the line. Noises are to fool some people like you into thinking there is some degree of independence in their decision making, but its just noises. Independed actors make actions, not noises
Slovenia Bernd 2022-05-26 00:40:12 ⋅ 4mn No. 149605
>>149594 Yes, vetoed. https://www.dw.com/en/germany-to-oppose-iraq-war-in-un/a-761326 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/jan/22/germany.france It is why US ended up having to organise it around the structures of UN Security Council and NATO, by forming the "Coalition of the Willing" and MNF-I. BTW, there was also massive backlash against George Bush and the war coming from popular music artists in general. To name just a few: Green Day - American Idiot Radiohead - Hail to the Thief Tom Waits - Real Gone Verdict: >Meanwhile no one cared about millions of muslims suffering from US invasions in the middle east, is a false statement. And to answer your concerns: >Germany has millitary in Iraq right now And Russia had military on a NATO mission to Kosovo 1999-2003. Your point? https://www.nato.int/docu/update/2003/07-july/e0702a.htm
Russia Bernd 2022-05-26 07:10:37 ⋅ 4mn No. 149615
>>149605 One thing is to bark in UN, its another thing to put sanctions on a country. Have Germany ever do that to USA after its war crimes? like the Abu Ghraib prison torture shit - US invaded Iraq under false premise, then occupied it and tortured its people in prisons. And its almost memory holed, there were no international sanctions about it Invasion-occupation-imprisonment-torture Where was German policy on human rights back then? Any sanctions back then? Everyone pretended it was just a bunch of bad apples in army, like found the scapegoats who got themselves on camera, but the whole command was spared who probably knew what was happening. It was probably the case of leaking, and there were dozens of such jails in middle east with torture and murder by Americans, only they were not sloppy to leak it.
Russia Bernd 2022-05-26 07:20:48 ⋅ 4mn No. 149616
>>149605 and up to this day Americans have their own concentration camp for muslims in Guantanomo bay where they torture people who are held there with no charges. These people can't even go to court and say "i am innocent" because they are kidnapped and held at gunpoint because American government doesn't want justice system to slow down and interfere with the process of torture. If courts were involved, there would be lawyer , press, jury - these prisioners in Guantanomo bay are devoid of anything like that, they have no charges against them, and US government just wants to keep them in constant pain and behind bars. Its literally like that - concentration and torture camp for muslims but since its done by Americans, everyone forgets about it, no one talks about it, there are no sanctions, no international condemnation from partners but they pretend to care about Chinese muslims you can cry "whataboutism" but yes, how can you pretend to care about human rights selectively? Its ok when muslims killed and tortured by America, but we must be united in condemnation of supposed torture of muslims by China?
Slovenia Bernd 2022-05-26 16:44:48 ⋅ 4mn No. 149653
>>149615 >>149616 >Abu Ghraib >Guantanamo Bay Both of which we've learned everything we know about through – supposedly biased and propagandistic wectern media and Amnesty International that according to you keep bashing Russia and China while defending US's arse. https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde14/136/2003/en/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/abuse-at-abu-ghraib/ https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/abuse-photos-ii/ >Where was German policy on human rights back then? Americans who were involved in Abu Ghraib were on trial in... Germany. https://www.dw.com/en/abu-ghraib-hearing-underway-in-germany/a-1305672 >Any sanctions back then? Since you already brought up "whataboutism", let me also ask you: Is China under any embargo right now? To finish with even more whataboutism, feel free to peruse the attached photo.
Germany Bernd 2022-05-26 16:59:48 ⋅ 4mn No. 149655
Russia Bernd 2022-05-26 18:07:47 ⋅ 4mn No. 149663
China is going to collapse because they have too many appartments and homes and they probably will have insuficient ammount of homeless people to support the necessary level of poverty! They are done, totally failed, haven't you heard about the debt, fail, collapse, fall, end words we used in combination with China?
Slovenia Bernd 2022-05-26 20:07:20 ⋅ 4mn No. 149674
>>149663 >chinese construction industry collapses >suddenly, ...
Russia Bernd 2022-05-27 06:23:33 ⋅ 4mn No. 149702
>>149674 >construction industry collapses Is this the current (27th of may) ROTICOC ? China built so many cities, bridges and tunnels >BUT AT WHAT COST!
Germany Bernd 2022-05-31 19:39:43 ⋅ 4mn No. 152029
Germany Bernd 2022-05-31 19:46:58 ⋅ 4mn No. 152043
We should bump serious discussion more so Zeta can into KC culture. If he has the attention span for it.
Mexico Bernd 2022-06-02 02:11:10 ⋅ 4mn No. 156012
>>148395 on this side, it is said that, as they have already undermined China, it is the turn of Africa, richard nixon's visit to China 1972 I don't remember how it's called plan X I read it texas library translatte; de este lado, se habla que, como ya minaron a china, toca turno a africa, visita de richard nixon a china 1972 no recuerdo como se llama el plan X lo lei en una libreria de texas
Russia Bernd 2022-06-14 12:16:17 ⋅ 3mn No. 170507
Zeihan gets destroyed by soy boldy - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlQKdoWCfAg Basically China's existance and financial success is such a big discomfort to many in the West they just have to cope with it, by saying that Chinese success is just temporary fluke that will come crashing down, because in Western world view they see the white man as superior to small silly asian man who can only fail and make angry faces, clueless about the nature of his failure. But Western man knows the reason - silly Chinese just doesn't have a soul and thats why he is destined to fail, they are not even a real civilisation, but rather like a toy civilisation, like a sand castle built by ants on the beach who don't know about the tides. Meanwhile the superior white man is just sitting in the solid castle built in rock and observes these silly bugs trying to play human and fail again and again. Silly Chinese bugs built cities and flashing skyscrapers, but the Western man knows its all fake, its all not real, its all has some flaw that only he - the White man - can see. Everything these silly ants built is just an illusion, facade, like a simulation that can come crashing down the moment the power just runs out. This deep and unfounded feel of superiority of Western over Chinese is really obvious. In Western eyes, China can never succeed, there is always "BUT" at the end of every success story coming out of China. There must always be some flaw, some mistake these silly Chinese made and couldn't see it because of their inferiority and that mistake at the same time must be so serious and blatantly obvious to the White man, so he could feel himself superior to these silly Chinese who couldn't see this flaw, this mistake. Like if a guy with the sight comes to a house where only blind people live and sees that they walk on glass, constantly slashing their feet, but can't clean it up or realize it. At that moment the guy with eyes feels really extatic and enlightened, because he can see the glass and blind folks can't. The Western people chase the same feel when covering the events in China, they see themselves as people with eyes, and Chinese people like blind fools who just constantly walking on shattered glass and bump into walls and fall out of the windows not knowing why it happens to them. But the Western man knows, he has something these silly Chinese don't have - superior intellect of the White person. And while Chinese may have built some things, its all has crucial flaws and come crashing any minute now because it was builts by blind dumb folks. The Western man doesn't even have to do anything, there is no need fighting the blind guy, he is going to collapse himself any minute now, just two more weeks.
Russia Bernd 2022-06-14 13:19:06 ⋅ 3mn No. 170532
>>148398 >>149582 >>148397 Geopop channel deleted their videos, but we still can enjoy the names and titles of these videos thanks to this board feature. This is how many so called geopolitics cover China - they make fake and false predictions and when they don't happen they clean their trail by deleting their failed predictions from history.
Slovenia Bernd 2022-06-14 22:44:35 ⋅ 3mn No. 170900
>>170507 >>170532 Cope harder. EDIT: Oh, I see now what made you have to cope today. >EU sanctions take effect: Sberbank, the Russian Agricultural Bank, and the Moscow Credit Bank have been cut off from SWIFT.
Russia Bernd 2022-06-15 05:55:08 ⋅ 3mn No. 171219
>>170900 What does this have to do with Russia? This thread is about China, so stay the topic. You can bring some doomsayer from your subscription list on one of the social media who posts about the "inevitable collapse of China in two weeks" so we can laugh at him. Enlighten me, what is the current ROTICOC?
United States Bernd 2022-06-18 23:26:53 ⋅ 3mn No. 175246
He is a libertarian, so what do you expect?
Russia Bernd 2022-06-20 09:09:35 ⋅ 3mn No. 176210
>>175246 oy, they deleted more videos. more pieces of COLLAPSE! wisdom lost from the internet. also, they have a Patreon, imagine that, someone donated them money and now they deleted their precious analysis
Russia Bernd 2022-06-21 07:51:03 ⋅ 3mn No. 176932
Finally Chinese begin to understand how Western world operates, they learned about multiple actors conspiracies and how the narratives get propped up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_5dKIFVmRs
Slovenia Bernd 2022-06-21 09:28:52 ⋅ 3mn No. 176946
>>176932 Imagine being China, not putting Uyghurs in labour camps nor sterilising them, yet being too paranoid about national security to let anyone confirm that. Epic fail!
Russia Bernd 2022-06-21 10:28:25 ⋅ 3mn No. 176963
>>176946 Actually UN representative visited Xinjiang and found no genocide, but this visit was criticized by Anti-Chinese zealots because this allowed to falsify their lies. https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202205/1266772.shtml The crew of retards immidiatelly started screaming that her visit was "supervised" somehow as if the high UN official was supposed to just walk the streets of Xinjiang alone and do one-woman-crew investigations, breaking into closets trying to find skeletons. So how would you suppose China prove the negative, that there is no genocide even if UN official visit is smeared by US propaganda and loyal lapdog media who recieve money from USA or re-post messages from RFA who are on the American payroll?
Moscow Bernd 2022-06-21 11:37:16 ⋅ 3mn No. 176971
>>148395 In my opinion, paid trolling takes place. An anti-Chinese writer decides to earn some monies by posting stuff which says "ITS HAPPENING but not with us... not in US..." The **town with no name's** Sun catches on Some other shitty newspapers catch on CNBC and other agencies quote stories claiming "first The Sun told the story although X has neither confirmed nor denied it"
Russia Bernd 2022-06-21 12:04:58 ⋅ 3mn No. 176972
>>176971 There are few of American funded newspapers - radio free asia for example publishes report, and then other media organisations start reposting it, and in the link of repost they change the source of the report always citing the previous news paper, so after a few reposts the news look as organic and no one looks deep to see that the original root source was American funded puppet publication. No one investigates news sources like that digging through many steps and this way Americans plant narratives into the collective perception. Like no one can even say now where is the number of 1000000 million detained Uighurs number came from, there was no scientific paper with counting method, no one determined the date when this number was counted. We can't even say "at this date, this month this year the number of Uighurs in camps was 1000000" to later try to measure the change of Uighurs in camps with the initial number of 1000000, we can't fucking do it because we don't even know who counted them, when and how. No one is counting them now, people just spitball numbers out of the blue. Some retard on twitter can just escalate and scream "SIX MILLION!" out of his ass and this can be then reposted without any checking or question how he shat this number.
Slovenia Bernd 2022-06-21 13:04:48 ⋅ 3mn No. 176982
>>176963 On a guided tour, yes. Unless someone goes in unannounced to check on the situation, the reports are worth toilet paper.
Netherlands Bernd 2022-06-21 13:19:44 ⋅ 3mn No. 176985
>>176963 > even if UN Btw UN is mostly useless and corrupted speakers club so their words don't mean a thing. As probably any worldwide organization of such sort would have been...
Russia Bernd 2022-06-21 13:24:31 ⋅ 3mn No. 176986
>>176982 What do you mean "guided tour"? its just rhetoric. Do you think she was supposed to alone wander the streets of Kashgar and just really go into everyone's toilet and look into everyones asshole? Of course she had people there who showed her around and protected her. Again - you recently claimed that China doesn't allow anyone there, but when they go there, you moving the goal post to "guided tour" bullshit. China cleared its name, everything else as was shown just fake news spread by American puppets who only pretend to care for muslims in hopes that this will hurt China. Americans never cared about muslims when they bombed them, even now Americans don't play compensation and just stole Afghan money, and then through its puppets laments that there is probably going to be famine in Afghanistan. Everyone in the world understands that US doesn't give a fuck about muslims and they lie about Xinjiang just because they want to contain China, like a whore-girlfriend making up rape accusations to ruin someone and cancel them.
Russia Bernd 2022-06-21 13:36:48 ⋅ 3mn No. 176987
Not a single muslim country believes in this lie of the century about Uighur genocide. More muslim countries outraged with India and its handling of Kashmir, than with Chinese policies in Xinjiang.
Russia Bernd 2022-06-21 13:39:50 ⋅ 3mn No. 176989
>>176985 A lot of people actually travel to Xinjiang and film around, trying to find this ""genocide"", but they find only happy people. Very strange https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpeK7qZfz2Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtxHvrpjjZE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-beTVT7uVk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKCIaey92uY
Netherlands Bernd 2022-06-21 13:50:25 ⋅ 3mn No. 176991
>>176989 Yes, if you sent all the "unhappy people" to the inernment camps (I meant volunteer training and reeducating centers) than all your tourists can see is "happy people" around. How many tourists in Soviet Union do you think saw what's happening inside of GULag camps?
Russia Bernd 2022-06-21 14:01:21 ⋅ 3mn No. 176994
>>176991 So your belief is unfalsifiable, like its a cult. There is no test that China can pass to prove there are no camps and no prisioners, you will always believe there are millions of prisioners despite seeing even a hundred prisioners yourself.
Russia Bernd 2022-06-21 14:21:43 ⋅ 3mn No. 177000
USA holds 2 million people in camps. How can China ever compete? There is even forced labour in American prisons, they just privatized it. So Americans have their own camps where they hold millions of people and extract labour from them for little to no pay, and if they refuse, they beat them and intimidate them https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/23/prisoner-speak-out-american-slave-labor-strike
Slovenia Bernd 2022-06-21 14:25:53 ⋅ 3mn No. 177002
>>176994 There is. See your own argument in >>177000 This is wel known and well documented because US allows independent journalism, thus information on prison labour in USA is publicly available and independently verifiable. It is not a secret & nobod' starts a tantrum when someone challenges them about it. There is no such verifiability when it comes to China. For me to believe China it would take as simple as independent testimonies debunking forced labour claims. Unfortunately, China seems to be too concerned about state secrets to accept independent research to happen in Tarim to verify Chinese claims.
Netherlands Bernd 2022-06-21 14:43:15 ⋅ 3mn No. 177008
>>177000 Why is this always about comparison? Like if they have forced labour in the US then it's totally acceptable for China to have it as well and we shouldn't even expose their camps?
Russia Bernd 2022-06-21 14:55:58 ⋅ 3mn No. 177010
>>177002 Look at the images i present to you. How does the journalism help to punish those responsible? It doesnt - Americans KNOW about the war crimes, thanks to journalism, and then congratulate themselves for the fact that they have journalism which can cover in great detail their crimes and attrocities and continue on, convinced that BECAUSE THEY KNOW ABOUT THE CRIMES, THE SYSTEM IS WORKING AND NOTHING HAS TO BE CHANGE. Just because my mistakes were discovered by journalists, it means that this act of journalistic investigation somehow makes it all worth it. There are no demands for firing the officials responsible, for trial, for reform, for reparation or compensations and why would you need this if you can use the journalistic discovery as the heroic act of support for the same system that perpetuates these crimes and attrocities? >>177008 I didn't say its comparable, but a country with such a big prison population you'd imagine they have to shut up and not throw stones in the glass house of their dwelling. Imagine Nazist Germany won ww2 and then started lecturing Americans about genocide of native Americans, while commiting their own genocide of jews. That would look bizzare and you would mock it, right? But i can't mock and condemn Americans for having the biggest prison population, literall concentration camp for muslims in occupied Guantanomo teritory they annexed from Cuba, i can't talk about Americans torturing and killing muslims in countries like Iraq and Afghanistan, where they treat muslims like trash that can be just shaken and dropped from the planes, while they pretend to play "the muslim protector" role when it comes to China? I am sure can mock and smash Americans into the filth of their own making and point how retarded and ridiculous they look.
Slovenia Bernd 2022-06-21 15:05:19 ⋅ 3mn No. 177013
>>177010 >But i can't mock and condemn Americans for having the biggest prison population, literall concentration camp for muslims in occupied Guantanomo teritory they annexed from Cuba, i can't talk about Americans torturing and killing muslims in countries like Iraq and Afghanistan, where they treat muslims like trash that can be just shaken and dropped from the planes You can, and it's constantly brought up. By Americans. It's not a secret. And nobody is frantically trying to cover it up. But mention that maybe China being so secretive implies there might be some labour camps there, and you get shills like you claiming it's all lies and how America is the evilest evil to have ever eviled, thus China is allowed to do it (but it doesn't, because only America is evil).
Russia Bernd 2022-06-21 15:06:01 ⋅ 3mn No. 177014
>>177002 >Unfortunately, China seems to be too concerned about state secrets to accept independent research to happen in Tarim to verify Chinese claims. That research team has to be independent, you said it yourself, but how can China be sure that the research team is independent? Like imagine you have a girlfriend who is slandering you and spreading lies that you fuck kids and you hold hostage children slaves in your basement and she provides no proof of this, but she just continues spreading these lies around everyone you know. Would you allow her friends to come into your house with cameras and start "investigating" in your bedrooms, closets and basement? How can you make sure that her friends won't just pull bloodied panties out of the pocket, place them on your bed and film them as evidence that "HE HAD A CHILD HERE, WE FOUND EVIDENCE, HE HID HER SOMEWHERE!" and then what if her friends go into your basement and find the bike chain that you used to chain your bike to the fence and they claim on camera "He used this chain to tie little girls to the floor, he must have moved them before we came here" . And they will start insinuating that you have other property somewhere where you hide kids there. Would you allow this party of friends of your girlfriends who lie and fabricate evidence and then show innocent things like a bike chain as some proof of your guilt - would you allow these bad faith actors to investigate your second house too? And what if they demand you to not be even present when they "investigate" your second house, because that would be "a guided tour"?
Slovenia Bernd 2022-06-21 15:08:09 ⋅ 3mn No. 177015
>>177014 It's simple. Any false claims are easily falsifiable. Of course, China has never actually falsified any claims about Uyghur genocide. Only claimed they are lies with no contrary evidence.
Slovenia Bernd 2022-06-21 15:09:45 ⋅ 3mn No. 177016
Btw, how do you explain birth rates in rural Xinjiang dropping more than 50% in 3 years? This is from official Chinese data, ofc.
Russia Bernd 2022-06-21 15:13:45 ⋅ 3mn No. 177019
>>177016 Where i can see the drop, you need before and after pictures, its just one year numbers. And when you bring the other picture, lets see how other regions of China fare in comparison, because something tells me you haven't looked at this data yourself, you don't know what it says, you just saved this from some site where it claims to be some proof and they expect dumb readers to not look at it themselves, believing some narration which is done probably by Adrian "the one and only" Zenz
Netherlands Bernd 2022-06-21 15:16:51 ⋅ 3mn No. 177020
>>177010 > they have to shut up Why so? Quite the opposite, of course they would do it. It's an easy way to move attention to someone else while clearing your reputation in simpleton's eyes. And if by some unimaginable way Nazi would won they would indeed lecture Americans about genocide. It's exactly the same with Russia today for example when it blames the West in all the crimes they do times more like censorship. Even all their excuse of "denazification" while clearly building up their own Nazi policies is the same thing - "look, I condemn Nazis so you cannot blame me for the Nazi shit I do".
Russia Bernd 2022-06-21 15:19:05 ⋅ 3mn No. 177021
>>177016 The drop in fertility can happen due to many natural factors. Urbanization, access to contraceptives, sex education. Things that are very celebrated in the West. They are happy when fertility drops in Western countries, but they frown when fertility drops in Xinjiang? Maybe Uyghur women are actually getting educated and realize they are not breeding machines who have to just study Quran and listen to their husband and have as many kids as he wants. You know - if you even suggest that the drop of fertility of white woman in the West is due to some conspiracy to replace or genocide white, they would call you a conspiracy theorist and put you on the Watch list. But they spread the same conspiracy theories about Xinjiang population statistics, pretending that the drop in fertility is due to some evil plan.
Russia Bernd 2022-06-21 15:23:16 ⋅ 3mn No. 177023
>>177020 Yes. Which is why Americans constantly talk about other countries. Its not China trying to move attention away from itself, its Americans who have invaded more countries than anyone in this century and to divert attention from it, Americans dedicated enormous ammounts of money to different funds and organisations that talk about the crimes and problems of others, so that behind all this noize about freedom violations and human rights abuses, people wouldn't notice that USA is the champion on all of these metrics. In some ways - i think nazis did win, nazis in USA that is. When ww2 ended, there were still Jim Crow laws, they were not much better than nazis these americans.
Netherlands Bernd 2022-06-21 15:31:46 ⋅ 3mn No. 177026
>>177023 Do you even follow the conversations you're part of? We were talking about USA, not China. Yes, they divert people attention, and try to hide their crimes, but it doesn't mean they blame China or other countries without reason. Imagine you robbed a bank and stole million $, and some other guy by coincidence stole another few million $ from the same bank. You told the police about this second guy so they jail him, close the case and don't find about you. Does it make you innocent? No. Does it make this guy innocent? Again no. >i think nazis did win, nazis in USA that is And here you go again. If they do shit it doesn't mean they are the only ones who so shit but you're still talking like "nazi" is some job position that can be taken by only one who you appointed to this position.
Russia Bernd 2022-06-21 15:43:27 ⋅ 3mn No. 177027
>>177026 USA do blame China with reason, but not because China commits genocide. They do it because they want to smear China and create moral justification for economic and political isolation of the country. Watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_5dKIFVmRs The sources of this story about Chinese bad deeds all go to the American government, funded by it, and planned and orchestrated from it. If some group of people in Alaska would claim that USA is commiting genocide of Alaskan native people, and that group would have a headquarters in Moscow, feed information to Russian media, recieve money from Russian government, met with Russian officials. You wouldn't be seriously percieving them, knowing they are Russian puppet who just lie for Russian intrest, but when this happens with Uighurs who all recive American money and have headquarters in Washington DC, we supposed to believe them? Look at this bullshit, Uyghur separatists who have headquarters in Washington DC, recieve money from USA, spread rumors about genocide in Xinjiang and yet we supposed to believe them https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Turkistan_Government-in-Exile
Slovenia Bernd 2022-06-21 15:43:39 ⋅ 3mn No. 177029
>>176989 Btw, can you post one which is not just a scripted video of a person walking the same street over and over again? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI8bJO-to8I
Slovenia Bernd 2022-06-21 15:44:10 ⋅ 3mn No. 177030
>>177027 >USA do blame China with reason, but not because China commits genocide. They do it because they want to smear China and create moral justification for economic and political isolation of the country. Yes. And China could simply not commit genocide, if they didn't want US to be able to do that. >If some group of people in Alaska would claim that USA is commiting genocide of Alaskan native people, and that group would have a headquarters in Moscow, feed information to Russian media, recieve money from Russian government, met with Russian officials. Stopped reading right there, because travelling to Alaska is free and unrestricted and anyone can go there to confirm that. So Russia is free to claim that and nobody will believe them. Meanwhile when US makes lies about China, everyone believes US, simply because China doesn't let anyone confirm the claims. It is, thus, entirely China's fault, that they present their point so unbelievably.
Russia Bernd 2022-06-21 15:48:14 ⋅ 3mn No. 177031
>>177030 China doesn't commit any genocide, the Uyghur population quadrupled over the last decades. Its a funny genocide when the number of Uyghurs only grows. And even every Yuan of money in China has Uyghur letters on it, its so fucking funny how some people can claim genocide when these people are celebrated and always had exemption from 1 child policy
Russia Bernd 2022-06-21 15:53:17 ⋅ 3mn No. 177034
>>177030 traveling to Alaska is not free, you have to pay money and you could travel to Xinjiang untill Covid-19 hit, but rarely anyone would do it, because its not as exciting as some tourist attraction. Its a fucking boring place, why would anyone go there without specific highly motivated reason? Would you fly to Xinjiang on your vacation or to Thailand or Bahamas? Its not a hard question. You go to Xinjiang and you see dusty streets and it looks like fucking mix of Pakistan and Afghanistan with Chinese characters on the billboards. Not something people are attracted in droves, but there are no specific restrictions. If you not going to say to the officer in customs " i want to go to Xinjiang to film some industrial buildings from the distance and claim those are camps" they are going to let you in pretty soon and you could eat that Bazar donkey and goat meat shit as much as you want smelling unique Xinjiang dust and odor. Not going to be pretty exciting i imagine.
Russia Bernd 2022-06-21 15:59:12 ⋅ 3mn No. 177037
>>177029 The guy is filming legit prisons and then he films some buildings from the distance and claims they are camps. I can go to USA and do the same, i would go to some industrial area where they have barbed wire around some property and claim "uhhh, its a spooky camp not marked on the map!" and if people can't read English they could believe me. You don't speak Chinese so he can fool you by using the gap of your knowledge. And as Taiwanese he has an agenda of smearing China, so he cannot be used as a source of information anyway, since we talked about "independent researchers" and Taiwanese who hate China cannot be claimed to be independent Next!
Russia Bernd 2022-06-21 16:28:58 ⋅ 3mn No. 177050
Seems like people still travel to xinjiang so your dream can come true and you can visit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1ItIMx2PXA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDbS-p7yJT4 But Americans don't want you to visit Xinjiang, Americans want Xinjiang to become independent Islamic state like Afghanistan, where women would be deprived of rights and freedoms, Americans support terrorists and separatists in Xinjiang, because they want another landblocked shithole appear on the map and once it becomes independent, Americans would immidiatelly forget about freedoms and rights of Uyghurs. Like that time when Americans pretended to care about Lybians and when they deposed of Muammar Gaddafi, the situation in Lybia IMMIDIATELLY DISAPPEARED FROM THE NEWS. As if someone gave the order to not talk about Lybia anymore, even though the every day agenda was that Lybian rights and freedoms are super important and even the average American family was supposed to watch the news and care, like some Joe was supposed to work full shift in his truck, come home and think about Lybians and their rights, as if this is the thing that should occupy his mind. But when Gadaffi died and country descended into chaos - puff! no news about Lybia, even though the civil war is still ongoing there, with slave camps and human right abuses. If Americans succeed in making Xinjiang independent from China, they would immidiatelly forget about whats happening there. Lol, Americans already forgot about Afghanistan, they don't want to be reminded about this mess anymore because it hurts Biden's ratings, so lets just pretend it doesn't happen, but lets keep Afghan money while we are at it.
Russia Bernd 2022-06-21 19:18:47 ⋅ 3mn No. 177151
Here is the example of how Western media operated in Xinjiang. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NKfqCov0mE They came to some factory and started filming from distance. When the security officer of a factory came to do his job - to find out who are those people with cameras - they continued shooting the cameras and refused cooperation, so he called the police, later the reporters lied that he was some government official and that his "interference" was somehow proving that there was something shady in the building. They didn't go inside, they didn't try to get permission for interview from the owner, they only needed some shots of the factory from the distance and some video of scary security official and police to support the narrative that they were trying to push. They weren't intrested in truth and reality, they were only intrested in just few distance shots of the buildings to support their other insinuations about what was happening inside. As i said previously, if you had a girlfriend who break up with you and started spreading rumors about you fucking little kids. Imagine if that girl comes to your house at night and she records video of your house from the distance and then says to camera "DID YOU HEAR THAT??? i heard kids screams, i am not sure you heard them on video recording, but i heard them, i have to run, he probably rapes kids right now in that home! i am afraid for my life and i have to run away from that rapist house!" Would you later allow this girl to inspect your house to prove that you don't rape kids, if she already lied about you multiple times and just uses proximity to your home as some ground to spread more lies about you?
Slovenia Bernd 2022-06-21 19:37:42 ⋅ 3mn No. 177162
>>177031 >China doesn't commit any genocide, the Uyghur population quadrupled over the last decades. Its a funny genocide when the number of Uyghurs only grows. That's not what the Chinese government data says, though. http://www.stats.gov.cn/tjsj/ndsj/2021/indexeh.htm 2020 – 1493.22万 minority population in Xinjiang province http://www.stats.gov.cn/tjsj/ndsj/2020/indexeh.htm 2019 – 1489.94万 minority population in Xinjiang province http://www.stats.gov.cn/tjsj/ndsj/2019/indexeh.htm 2018 – 1497.72万 minority population in Xinjiang province http://www.stats.gov.cn/tjsj/ndsj/2018/indexeh.htm 2017 – 1654.48万 minority population in Xinjiang province >>177037 Then why are they not marked as prisons on any map? You're telling me China have secret prisons? >And as Taiwanese he has an agenda of smearing China So, you're telling me I can disregard everything you say about USA as a lie. Got it. >>177050 >ike that time when Americans pretended to care about Lybians and when they deposed of Muammar Gaddafi, the situation in Lybia IMMIDIATELLY DISAPPEARED FROM THE NEWS. Yeah, funny how now that it's Russia meddling in Libya, it's no longer on the news. >>177151 >Would you later allow this girl to inspect your house to prove that you don't rape kids, if she already lied about you multiple times and just uses proximity to your home as some ground to spread more lies about you? Yes. Because I don't rape kids, and she will only make her claims look more laughable by investigation it will proceed.
Russia Bernd 2022-06-21 21:20:24 ⋅ 3mn No. 177229
>>177162 >That's not what the Chinese government data says, though. Have you looked at these data sets? I looked at it and its shows a nice juicy trend for minorities over whole country. Plus insane urbanization rate that could explain the sudden drop in birth rates. And so where do you get data the numbers of minority population for Xinjiang for 2017, 2018, 2019? Only the yearbook for 2021 has the page 2-21 Population by Gender, Ethnic Groups and Region in the section of population and THERE you get the number of 1493.22 But where did you get the numbers for 2017 for example? Show me. >Then why are they not marked as prisons on any map? Which buildings on which maps? be specific
Russia Bernd 2022-06-21 21:33:19 ⋅ 3mn No. 177235
>>177162 >you're telling me I can disregard everything you say about USA as a lie. Got it. If i go to USA and do the same, if i go to some industrial area where they have barbed wire around some property and claim "uhhh, its a spooky camp not marked on the map!" then you can ignore me. He is doing just that >Yes. Because I don't rape kids, and she will only make her claims look more laughable by investigation it will proceed. You don't get it, she IS investigation. There are no other investigative teams in this scenarion other than your fucked up girlfriend and her friends coming to your house with torches and cameras, claiming you need to confess under the presumption of your guilt. >Yeah, funny how now that it's Russia meddling in Libya, it's no longer on the news. And i oppose Russian meddling in Libya. I don't give a fuck about Libya, its fucking Africa and i would prefer we never got there involved. Anything thats done by Russia in Africa i don't support, its a waste of resources where we will only get out of it looking bad, Africans are genetically ungratefull and even if you help them in few generations they will hate you.
United States Bernd 2022-06-29 13:50:45 ⋅ 3mn No. 188136
I wonder what is going to attract more attention and more doomsaying. American economy collapsing, or Chinese economy over-performing but still being described as "stalled" by pro-Western retards. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonathanponciano/2022/06/29/us-economy-shrank-worse-than-expected-16-last-quarter-as-recession-fears-grow/?sh=2efa03575fd7 https://www.dw.com/en/china-first-quarter-economic-growth-slightly-tops-forecast/a-61501989
Russia Bernd 2022-07-13 19:43:41 ⋅ 2mn No. 197800
So what is the current ROTICOC for July 2022? "reason of the inevitable collapse of China"? How is China going to collapse this time? What is the Chinobyl for the summer ? How conservatives in USA and us-suckers in Europe cope and lull themselves into slumber today?
Slovenia Bernd 2022-07-14 22:40:03 ⋅ 2mn No. 198244
>>197800 https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3185003/what-you-need-know-about-henan-banking-crisis ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Russia Bernd 2022-07-16 13:24:41 ⋅ 2mn No. 198918
>>198244 How is one regional bank failing to pay people in time is the threat to all China? Beside - government in China already took control of the situation, will compensate people and investigate bank managment. But notice how Its allways like this - some small barely relevant problem in some second-tier region gets overblown out of proportions and retards start salivating, as if this little sore, this little bruise on the Chinese economy is going to bring it all down. Really shows how desperate you are to seek sources of information like this that would confirm your biased and racist expectations. And how about 1000 news would report about the problem, but only 2 or 5 will report about how the problem got solved and everyone got home and back to their business.
Russia Bernd 2022-07-16 13:33:26 ⋅ 2mn No. 198920
>>198244 plus it shows that China can have mass protests - imagine that. A lot of American anti-Chinese narrative circulate about the idea that Chinese are like bugmen who don't object to their government and that the government is so oppressive that if you get on the street to protest, you would get shot immidiatelly or tank would appear out of thin air and run over you but we see that when people in China get in trouble - they speak up, protest and government reacts listening to their demands, fixing the mistakes of some bankers. Like a normal democratic country would do
Russia Bernd 2022-07-16 13:47:42 ⋅ 2mn No. 198924
Like if we look as some isolated story in the US - for example power outages in Texas. When people see shit like this, they just say - "oh, what a silly Texas. This is because of nuance like that, its heat, or the blame of that particular regional governor". But if outages of power like that were to happen in China in whatever the fuck backwards region? Retards would start salivating and looking too deep into it, and words STRATEGIC would get attached to it. Just because some 1 hour outage that was fixed pretty fast would happen in some shitty backwards region of China. There will be no nuance, no attempts to understand maybe its the govrnor of this region fucked up - nope, its all will be blamed on Beijing and Xi And then CHINESE GOVERNMENT will fix this problem and everyone will forget about it, meanwhile that problem in USA will persists and everyone will just juggle nuances and explanations around, maybe come up with some fancy new world to explain why this problem is normal and ok and nothing should be changed, they would rather change the language and definitions of words in USA to bend reality, instead of fixing their problems.
Slovenia Bernd 2022-07-16 14:16:42 ⋅ 2mn No. 198925
>>198918 >one regional bank four banks, across two regions >the threat to all China? when this becomes a norm >government in China already took control of the situation government will get fucked by burdens increasing & slowly going over their capacity to hold the lid down. >>198920 >plus it shows that China can have mass protests yeah, against private entities they're encouraged that's the whole fucking narrative of communist revolution larping by the government against government, lol, lmao but, whatever, cope harder china is perfect and can't fail and whenever china is failing this is only one small regional irrelevant problem but when there's a power outage in Texas this is proof that US is a failure but wait! unlike china, US does not try to parade its legitimacy through how well they can appease population and fix the fuckups of regional mismanagement, so... unlike china, US is not at existential danger when fuckups like this happen worrypanda.png
Russia Bernd 2022-07-16 14:53:55 ⋅ 2mn No. 198940
>>198925 >government will get fucked by burdens increasing & slowly going over In two weeks? >china is failing this is only one small regional irrelevant problem but when there's a power outage in Texas this is proof that US is a failure This isn't what i said. I mean that the degree of nuance should be applied to every case. But you yourself posted some local story and believed it had broader significance. If i posted something like picrelated and claimed that this story is the reason for incoming collapse of USA, you would be laughing. But one difference with China here is that people in USA are not protesting. They just get robbed by rich people and are ok with it.
Russia Bernd 2022-07-16 15:19:54 ⋅ 2mn No. 198947
>>198925 >US is not at existential danger when fuckups like this happen Yes it is in danger and its exactly because of this attitude. Americans think they are some exceptional people, that things that happen to other countries won't happen to them, that they can ignore problems or just rename them, change definitions, maybe turn them into political campaign of one party against another, but problems don't get solved and accumulate. In this sence Americans remind me of some self confident young guy who relies on his immune system too much, he knows that if he breaks a limb he can regenerate quickly but doesn't notice that he is getting older and older, but still thinks that his health can allow him to neglect many warning signs and dangerous pathogens and trauma. American immune system, its legitimacy is failing. Because much of the legitimacy of USA relied on economic prosperity, high GDP, constant economic growth. People are migrating to USA because its a prosperous country and because of those migrants US can even plug its demographic crysis. But with economic problems exacerbating, with more and more republicans becoming anti-migration - not a lot of people will want to come to USA in the future. In fact there can become a day during my life time when we will see more people leave USA, than come into USA as migrants. All thanks to economic, social and racial problems.
Ireland Bernd 2022-07-16 15:32:02 ⋅ 2mn No. 198949
>>148395 Didn't read Fuck china Fuck the us Fuck kikes Fuck jannies
Slovenia Bernd 2022-07-16 15:57:12 ⋅ 2mn No. 198953
>>198940 >But one difference with China here is that people in USA are not protesting. They just get robbed by rich people and are ok with it. Exactly. And this is why China is in much more precarious situation, bc of what they chose to base the social contract on. In US, it's simple: anything goes, in return the government will protect your freedoms. If you're dumb enough to fall for some pyramid scheme, your own fucking problem. In China… government parades itself as paragon of prosperity to whom you surrender freedom in exchange for security. So if you get fucked over, it's the government's business to fix it. Consequently, people MUST protest when they're victims of own stupidity (it's a call for help, "government please take care of me"). This is now starting to snowball & slowly government will no longer be able to take care of the fuckups by dumb people. Meanwhile, in US, dumb people get fucked over, nobody cares, and the functioning parts carry on as if nothing has happened.
Slovenia Bernd 2022-07-16 15:58:23 ⋅ 2mn No. 198954
>>198947 >Because much of the legitimacy of USA relied on economic prosperity, high GDP, constant economic growth Its dont. That's China's narrative. US's narrative is "muh freedumbs".
Russia Bernd 2022-07-16 16:28:33 ⋅ 2mn No. 198966
>>198953 In case of American crypto firm - that is stupidity, but Chinese property banks a little different, this thing is real unfortunate, poor people couldn't predit these bastards would steal their money. >US's narrative is "muh freedumbs". You imply some symbolic exchange. In USA people can be poor, but in exchange they still believe this immaterial idea of freedom. in China there is a similar symbolic exchange - people in China can support CCP if they give them immaterial idea of greatness of Chinese nation, nationalism, and to do this China can just show them some big impressive numbers (that don't often affect their life personally), show them big impressive metro stations, big cities, send astronauts into space. And as long as China could deliver those things, a lot of shitty events in China could be forgiven by people. Do you think that people in Anhui province would go protesting because some guys in Henan got scammed by the bank? no way, lol I imagine that if CCP will manage to land Chinese person on the Moon, then they will get a giant credit of legitimacy that they could spend however they like, even if few provinces burn, eveyrone would still be like "Dude, but atleast CCP raised the red flag on the Moon". China is going in that direction. A few milestones got reached - like poverty aleviation, life expectancy prolonged. Some retarded decisions of CCP in the past get excused by people because of these positives, like people in China understand that one-child policy was cruel and retarded but they are alive themselves and they don't get caught up on things that could have been.
Russia Bernd 2022-07-16 16:30:37 ⋅ 2mn No. 198968
>>198954 and that muh freedumbs idea also getting eroded before our very eyes, i don't remember your twitter but i am sure you talking and reading about it pretty often
Slovenia Bernd 2022-07-16 17:07:09 ⋅ 2mn No. 198981
>>198966 >people in China can support CCP if they give them immaterial idea of greatness of Chinese nation, nationalism, and to do this China can just show them some big impressive numbers (that don't often affect their life personally), show them big impressive metro stations, big cities, send astronauts into space. And as long as China could deliver those things, a lot of shitty events in China could be forgiven by people. Exactly. Guess what happens when banks start crumbling, when real estate market (the only thing chinese were allowed to invest in, really) is slowly getting more and more fucked (more relevant recent news: https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3185326/china-facing-more-economic-woes-ahead-gdp-release-mortgage) &c. happens? >even if few provinces burn, eveyrone would still be like "Dude, but atleast CCP raised the red flag on the Moon". China is going in that direction. A few milestones got reached - like poverty aleviation, life expectancy prolonged. Yeah. And those people in the provinces that burn, those people who still live in shitty conditions (but officially that's not poverty), they don't matter – hundreds of millions of people getting gaslit about the condition they live in, we can just ignore them. Right? >>198968 Kinda true, but US government is also very incompetent at actually taking freedoms away, so it stays at scary words being thrown & nothing actually happens in reality.
Slovenia Bernd 2022-07-16 17:14:21 ⋅ 2mn No. 198982
That said... >>188136 China is reporting 0.4% growth for Q2. https://english.news.cn/20220715/5cefeddaef6746d6885121b24de0d845/c.html
France Bernd 2022-07-16 17:35:41 ⋅ 2mn No. 198999
>>198981 >Guess what happens when banks start crumbling If that happens, government intervenes. And then you just move the goalpost making crying Wojak face and say "They can't keep getting away with this!" USA bailed out a lot of banks in 2008, helped them to not go under. China can do the same. And i see that a lot of coverage about Chinese property problem is not objective - like rememeber Evergrande? How it was supposed to be the end of China? I emember. You were almost jumping out of happines somewhere last year, probably grinning from ear to ear. And now what? No one even remembers Evergrande, they kinda defaulted, but instead they are now making electric-cars somehow. Now this fixation on Henan bank fraudsters. Also probably not going to do anything. Before that there was shanghai lockdowns, electric outages, rain season, three gorges dam, and wuhan virus. All these things not ending China like a lot of people hope for >we can just ignore them. Right? I didn't say that. I said that IF province burn, that wouldn't be the end of CCP because of this credit of legitimacy. That credit of legitimacy can give them wiggle room to suck up some downsides. That credit of legitimacy can be used to do some serious reforms for example. For example government in India doesn't have that credit of legitimacy so when they do some even a small reform, whole country starts uproar and crying. Recently India tried to reform its army and people started bitching and moaning like crazy https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/6/16/analysis-new-india-army-plan-may-have-devastating-consequences >>198982 Thats fucked up, not gonna lie, Xi Jinping shouldn't have chocked Shanghai so hard. One can hope that after seeing these numbers he won't do anything retarded in the future.
France Bernd 2022-07-16 17:36:35 ⋅ 2mn No. 199001
oh, don't mind my flag, i have to use VPN constantly because i need to access a lot of sites which a blocked in Russia, like twitter and others
Slovenia Bernd 2022-07-16 18:11:23 ⋅ 2mn No. 199028
>>198999 >If that happens, government intervenes. government is omnipotent and no matter how many fuckups happen they will always make them disappear with a magic wand swish t. you, apparently >rememeber Evergrande? How it was supposed to be the end of China? It is. Collapses don't happen overnight. It is still an ongoing event. >No one even remembers Evergrande, they kinda defaulted, but instead they are now making electric-cars somehow. Fun fact: they kinda aren't, their deal with my company is frozen indefinitely lmao
Moscow Bernd 2022-07-16 18:15:55 ⋅ 2mn No. 199032
>>148395 dey wa'ch animay dey wear gomie tees, innit? simpul as
Russia Bernd 2022-07-16 18:33:51 ⋅ 2mn No. 199053
>>199028 Chinese government is competent enough to respond to the threats, predict them, plan ahead. They have a lot of departments working hard on these issues, they don't get complacent. In a lot of ways - its thanks to the Westerners who seek Chinese weak points and pray for collapse.of China. Chinese people can read English and when they read Western articles op-eds and propaganda news about "This is the reason why China will collapse this year!", they anyway start paying attention to these problems that are pointed out in those articles and try to mitigate these problems if this is possible. If Western media would found out about some Chinese weak point and WOULDN'T report on it, maybe Chinese government would miss it and then something really bad would happen, but so far Western media alarmist rhetoric keeps China on alert. >Collapses don't happen overnight. It is still an ongoing event. Lool, kek. Lmao even. i remember some court said that Evergrande was due to demolish a dozen of buildings in Hainan that were built kinda illegally and people were hoping for a big shot of this, but even this didn't happen. Evergrande is doing ok, even continues to build a lot of projects.
Slovenia Bernd 2022-07-16 18:59:42 ⋅ 2mn No. 199067
>>199053 If you think having a lot of bureaucracy constantly busy with damage control is good, lol, lmao.
Russia Bernd 2022-07-16 19:23:29 ⋅ 2mn No. 199075
>>199067 You again deduce everything to crude cliche simplifications. Chinese government is not just primitive useless bureaucracy, it is in fact a well-oiled machine. You linked here >>198982 a report, but you didn't even think how it came to be. It was compiled by National Bureau of Statistics of China and these people are one of the most insane geniuses out there, dealing with mad numbers, they are probably superhuman. Chinese people do well in math and those who win in competitions go to work for Chinese government, helping to count Chinese statistics. The numbers involved are staggering, just imagine thousands of people reading reports from all the regions, counting everything, writing analytical notes and recommendations to local and central governments. But you don't see them work, you don't acknowledge their labour, for you what matters is just the final number to point out how its not so good in second quarter. This is indication of thinking processes of many people in the West, they aren't even slightly curious why China is being succesfull and got to where it is now, how they operate. Many people in the West think Chinese success is just a miracle, a fluke, that Chinese are just sitting on the ass and things just magically worked in their favour for a while, and that soon this mistake will be corrected naturally and Chinese will fall and return to the dirt "where they should be" and justice with the white man on top will be restored. So if you religiously believe in some prophecy of Chinese collapse, of course you not going to study this system that is doomed to fail, in your mind China has already failed, in your mind you live in some predetermined reality and the things in timeline just didn't caught up to the believably predetermined events that HAVE TO HAPPEN . Its as if the book of time, was already written and you got a sneak peak on the last page, saw the collapse of China there and said to yourseelf "i won't even bother stuying this shit, they will collapse, i know"
Slovenia Bernd 2022-07-16 20:20:58 ⋅ 2mn No. 199090
>>199075 I'm afraid I have no retort to this long form cope, as you have not made a single claim this time, other than continuing to worry bear.
Russia Bernd 2022-07-19 10:18:01 ⋅ 2mn No. 199982
>>199090 I don't worry - untill obscure CCP panel says there is a reason to worry, there are no reasons to worry.
Russia Bernd 2022-07-23 14:31:56 ⋅ 2mn No. 201805
Recently retards had another Chinobyl orgasm, when someone posted online a short video of tanks in the city and suddenly they started spreading lies that this is tanks in Henan to protect banks from protesters. Turns out its not in Henan, its from Shandong and tanks were headed for annual exercise and the city it was filmed in had no protesters at all. But it speaks volumes about retards who want to see some instability in China and see what they want to see even if there are no such things https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-china-tanks-bank-protest-597006254172
Russia Bernd 2022-07-24 00:56:27 ⋅ 2mn No. 201972
Russia Bernd 2022-07-25 09:07:02 ⋅ 2mn No. 202374
>its OVER >3 years ago >its OVER >10 months ago >its OVER >10 days ago When will they grift be really over?
Russia Bernd 2022-07-25 10:43:30 ⋅ 2mn No. 202378
Guys, it all ogre China ALREADY collapsed. Its over, its done, this thread is irrelevant, because there is nothing to discuss.
Russia Bernd 2022-08-01 22:09:44 ⋅ 2mn No. 205704
Chinese twitter seem to have a typical monday. Shouting KILL KILL KILL with exclamation marks directed at no one in particular.
Russia Bernd 2022-08-12 01:09:08 ⋅ 1mn No. 214185
Are we living in the same world there are thousands of people who watch this garbage, regularly, and maybe they think they getting smarter or something, they watch this shit and then they smug at you, thinking that they are above you intelectually because they consumed this shit
Russia Bernd 2022-08-12 01:41:37 ⋅ 1mn No. 214197
i found the channel where they were hiding zeihangasms from me As you know, these things are pretty fragile and spoil very fast, we have to save this time limited content https://www.youtube.com/c/EconomyAndGeopolitics/videos
Russia Bernd 2022-08-15 17:55:28 ⋅ 1mn No. 217939
Seems like China could solve its demographic problem by allowing imigration into China from neighbouring countries. So they don't even need to import literall niggers and muslims, they could just invite migrants from countries that share border with China. Right now it is extremely hard to get citizenship of China, but if in the future China will decide that demographics are the problem, they could just open their doors, make the road to citizenship easier and more understandable. On the picture millions of people who live on Chinese border in 2022. A lot of these countries still expirience population growth and could provide Mexico-style type of population boost to China in the future. USA is currently replacing all of their death rate by importing people from Mexico and India. China could do the same, lol. But you hear all day long the same doomsayers who claim that China is already doomed, because some demographic problem could arise in the future, for some reason implying that China will not react if this problem will indeed occur. Some may cope by saying - "No one wants to live in China! No one will move to China, no one is crazy enough to move to this dystopian shithole!" But in reality in 10 years, it will be really lucrative to move to China due to its status of 1st economic superpower in the world. Average wage and level of life will be higher in China compared to those donor countries. So if someone could escape from Myanmar to China - get a job in China, get a house, get a wife, or send money from China back to family to Myanmar, while working in China and producing products there. Why wouldn't they go to China?
Uruguay Bernd 2022-08-15 18:09:20 ⋅ 1mn No. 217942
>>214185 Kek I remember the /tgdg/ threads in 4chan's /pol/ they were made by the same shills that made the /cvg/ threads and now make the monkeypox and ukraine war threads. Pure autism, they have been screaming "The dam is gonna collapse anytime soon!" since 2019. Luckily those threads became irrelevant after 2021 and anons started seeing through that shit, took 2 years for those cringy threads to die, like /cvg/ which thankfully also died this year after 2 years since it started in 2020. But now they replaced it with the ukraine and monkeypox threads. It's all fear mongering and propaganda bullshit.
Russia Bernd 2022-08-15 18:25:42 ⋅ 1mn No. 217945
>>217942 >Luckily those threads became irrelevant after 2021 and anons started seeing through that shit yeah, every time i see those threads, they are getting spammed by ironic "2 more weeks" posts
Russia Bernd 2022-08-27 13:05:43 ⋅ 1mn No. 220556
Lee Kuan Yew was Dengist. Take it from the man himself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM1f6xNfwZw